[18:36]  Prokofy Neva: ok ladies and gentleman
[18:36]  Prokofy Neva: watch closely
[18:36]  Prokofy Neva: at no time will the fingers leave the wrist!
[18:36]  Prokofy Neva: you see before you three cubes?
[18:36]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: :D
[18:36]  Prokofy Neva: see them?
[18:36]  moo Money: should I film this?
[18:36]  Prokofy Neva: blue red green
[18:36]  Clare Abbey: yes
[18:36]  Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
[18:36]  Lou Netizen nods
[18:36]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, moo, please :)
[18:36]  brinda Allen: :-)
[18:36]  Prokofy Neva: yes we have to prove this to Soft
[18:37]  moo Money: let me boot up fraps
[18:37]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: and click on the boxes to show perms
[18:37]  Prokofy Neva: ok as you can see ladles and gentlespoons
[18:37]  Prokofy Neva: these have differing statuses
[18:37]  Prokofy Neva: deeded, transfer, deeded, no transfer, and just share
[18:37]  Prokofy Neva: now I'd invite a volunteer from the audience!
[18:37]  Dexter Tones: Prok, did you make a JIRA about it?
[18:37]  Prokofy Neva: yes
[18:37]  Dexter Tones: k
[18:37]  Prokofy Neva: and Soft doesn't believe me
[18:37]  Prokofy Neva: so watch
[18:37]  Prokofy Neva: do I have a volunteer?
[18:37]  Prokofy Neva: someone who is NOT a member of Ravenglass Rentals -- yet
[18:37]  Filthy Fluno: what are all these 'JIRA's" I'm hearing about altely?
[18:37]  Ace Albion: i can
[18:37]  Prokofy Neva: bug report tracking thing
[18:38]  Prokofy Neva: ok Ace watch closely
[18:38]  Prokofy Neva: first, note that in this group Ravenglass Rentals there are two roles
[18:38]  Prokofy Neva: one is called TENANT
[18:38]  Prokofy Neva: the other RESIDENT
[18:38]  Prokofy Neva: under TENANT, if anyone joins, they can see
[18:38]  Prokofy Neva: PARCEL CONTENT
[18:38]  Prokofy Neva: return objects owned, set, non-group -- not checked off
[18:38]  Prokofy Neva: boxes all empty
[18:38]  Prokofy Neva: and under RESIDENT
[18:39]  Prokofy Neva: return no-gorup objects
[18:39]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: (http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-121 right?)
[18:39]  Prokofy Neva: ok so Ace, join the group to become an ordinary tenant, and try returning the cubes
[18:39]  Prokofy Neva: cubes that you are not supposed to be able to return
[18:39]  Prokofy Neva: because you don't have that power in the group
[18:39]  Prokofy Neva: checked off for your role
[18:39]  Prokofy Neva: watch closely!
[18:39]  Ace Albion: just getting the group up
[18:39]  Prokofy Neva: ok just an ordinary tenant
[18:39]  Prokofy Neva: note the title RAVENGLASS TENANt
[18:39]  Ace Albion: ok i'm in
[18:40]  Prokofy Neva: now try returning the cubes
[18:40]  Prokofy Neva: one by one
[18:40]  Ace Albion: blue first
[18:40]  Second Life: Your object 'Shared With Group' has been returned to your inventory lost and found folder by Ace Albion from parcel 'That DAMMED Prokofy Sutherland Dam Club SL Public Land Preserve' at Sutherland 198, 12.
[18:40]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
[18:40]  moo Money: =O
[18:40]  Prokofy Neva: GASP\
[18:40]  Prokofy Neva: wait!
[18:40]  Prokofy Neva: now read my message in my im
[18:40]  Prokofy Neva: [18:40] Second Life: Your object 'Shared With Group' has been returned to your inventory lost and found folder by Ace Albion from parcel 'That DAMMED Prokofy Sutherland Dam Club SL Public Land Preserve' at Sutherland 198, 12.
[18:40]  Prokofy Neva: now try the red cube!
[18:40]  Cube Republic: ouch
[18:40]  Ace Albion: ok red...
[18:40]  Ace Albion: [18:40] Removal of the object 'Deeded to Group Not Transfer' from the simulator is disallowed by the permissions system.
[18:41]  Prokofy Neva: ok
[18:41]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Mmh
[18:41]  Prokofy Neva: so far so bad
[18:41]  Crap Mariner: "It all ends with a cube"
[18:41]  Cube Republic: lol
[18:41]  Prokofy Neva: now try the green!
[18:41]  Lou Netizen: ha!
[18:41]  Thompson Dawes: didn't i AR ya once?
[18:41]  Ace Albion: green...
[18:41]  Ace Albion: [18:41] Removal of the object 'Deeded to Group, Transfer' from the simulator is disallowed by the permissions system.
[18:41]  Prokofy Neva: voila!
[18:41]  Dexter Tones: Heh
[18:41]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: :D
[18:41]  Prokofy Neva: now
[18:41]  Prokofy Neva: wait!
[18:41]  Prokofy Neva: stay put
[18:41]  Prokofy Neva: don't move
[18:41]  Cube Republic: lol
[18:41]  Prokofy Neva: I shall now award you the powers to return non-group objects
[18:41]  Ace Albion: rawr
[18:42]  Filthy Fluno: i'm totally lost
[18:42]  Crap Mariner: My mother tried to AR me once. ONCE.
[18:42]  Clare Abbey: ther is a bug obviously in the group system
[18:42]  Prokofy Neva: ok now try
[18:42]  Ace Albion: red...
[18:42]  Dexter Tones: Just once, Crap?
[18:42]  Prokofy Neva: almost done
[18:42]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
[18:42]  Prokofy Neva: GSP!
[18:42]  Prokofy Neva: HORRORS
[18:42]  Prokofy Neva: the red disappeared even though you are NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT!
[18:42]  Filthy Fluno: George St. Pierre?
[18:42]  Filthy Fluno: he rules!
[18:42]  Prokofy Neva: AND!
[18:42]  Ace Albion: zomg
[18:42]  Dirk Talamasca: you iceholes have violated my fargin rights
[18:43]  Prokofy Neva: I DON'T HAVE ANY MESSAGE!
[18:43]  Prokofy Neva: BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN DSTROYED!
[18:43]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh, that's even more interesting
[18:43]  moo Money: =O
[18:43]  Lou Netizen: eeeps
[18:43]  Ace Albion: silent ninja return!
[18:43]  Prokofy Neva: BECAUSE IT IS ON NO TRANFER!
[18:43]  Eboni Khan: ohh snap
[18:43]  Dexter Tones: Nice find there, Prok
[18:43]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: oooh
[18:43]  Clare Abbey: oh no
[18:43]  Prokofy Neva: IT'S GONE, IT'S EATEN!
[18:43]  Ace Albion: oh my
[18:43]  Prokofy Neva: Yes
[18:43]  Prokofy Neva: why?
[18:43]  Ace Albion: langoliers got it
[18:43]  Dexter Tones: Hehe
[18:43]  Prokofy Neva: because the server doesn't know how to deal with a collectivized, communized prim
[18:43]  Prokofy Neva: it doens't know "where to send it"
[18:43]  Eboni Khan: into LL oblivion, along with my bentley...
[18:43]  Prokofy Neva: so it destroys it
[18:43]  Prokofy Neva: now try the green
[18:43]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Mmmh
[18:43]  Dirk Talamasca: well that is a nsty bug is it on jira?
[18:43]  Prokofy Neva: yes it is
[18:43]  Prokofy Neva: but Soft doesn't believe
[18:43]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, Dirk
[18:43]  Second Life: The object 'Deeded to Group, Transfer' you deeded to Ravenglass Rentals has been returned to your inventory lost and found folder by Ace Albion from parcel 'That DAMMED Prokofy Sutherland Dam Club SL Public Land Preserve' at Sutherland 198, 11.
[18:43]  Crap Mariner: Obviously it is in Heaven with all the other lost stuff.
[18:43]  Ace Albion: zap!
[18:43]  Prokofy Neva: GASP!
[18:44]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-121 I think
[18:44]  Prokofy Neva: The object 'Deeded to Group, Transfer' you deeded to Ravenglass Rentals has been returned to your inventory lost and found folder by Ace Albion from parcel 'That DAMMED Prokofy Sutherland Dam Club SL Public Land Preserve' at Sutherland 198, 11.
[18:44]  Prokofy Neva: but why oh why can you return group items?
[18:44]  Prokofy Neva: you aren't supposed to be able to do that!
[18:44]  Prokofy Neva: !!!
[18:44]  Ace Albion: because i only have return NON group items in my role, right?
[18:44]  Prokofy Neva: there's more, but I'll stop!
[18:44]  Thompson Dawes: the lost stuff is in the grid... is like a memeory leak
[18:44]  Prokofy Neva: it's boring
[18:44]  Prokofy Neva: but you see three big gaping holes in the group tools
[18:44]  Filthy Fluno: confusifying too
[18:44]  Gwyneth Llewelyn: Soft claims: "This is by design. Please see SVC-585 for more information, or if you wish to change this behavior."