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Key: WEB-50
Type: New Feature New Feature
Status: Resolved Resolved
Resolution: Won't Finish
Priority: Normal Normal
Assignee: Unassigned
Reporter: Prokofy Neva
Votes: 2
Watchers: 0
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Add "No" to voting system on jira.secondlife.com

Created: 09/Mar/07 07:12 AM   Updated: 29/Mar/08 10:36 AM
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Component/s: jira.secondlife.com
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Environment: Residents must be able to vote "no" on proposals for features that will affect them, sometimes profoundly.
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Just as with the Features Voting Tool, the coders of the JIRA issues page here are incorporating the same bias against having a "no" vote. This apparently springs from their selectivity in endorsing certain interpretations of the "wisdom of crowds" and a mistaken belief that adding a "no" vote will introduce "spamming" or "griefing". In fact, JIRA itself may not even contain the function of "no" based on that mistaken belief, in which case we really need to worry.

"No" votes are very important correctives in a group working within a virtual world, where some of the people get to actually change the features, and some particularly vocal or skilled get to influence those people about what changes are made or not made. To enhance authentic democratic participation and freedom, we need to be able to vote "no" on features that do not have support from the broader community. Otherwise, this second, shadow, parallel voting features system that has curiously now sprang up outside the official Features Voting Tool will acquire even more sectarian and in-group powers to influence the platform than FVT has.

People sometimes put up pet projects and get 10 or even 30 votes from friends and even Lindens and suddenly feel as if they have "the voice of the community". They don't. Prioritization and designation of issues are vital, and the core of the group or any one determined faction should not be able to pull the entire blanket on themselves. We need the corrective of "no" which provides a very important feedback; failure to get a lot of "yesses" does not mean "no". If "no" can be spammed or gamed, so, arguably, can "yes"; it is not wise to design systems backwards from the premise of how they can be gamed or griefed; you must also serve the public interest and public right to participation in a broader sense by creating options.



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Prokofy Neva made changes - 09/Mar/07 07:12 AM
Field Original Value New Value
Summary Add "N" to Voting System Here Add "NO" to Voting System Here
Rob Linden made changes - 10/Mar/07 12:24 PM
Project Second Life Misc Issues - MISC [ 10000 ] Second Life Website - WEB [ 10004 ]
Key MISC-41 WEB-50
Component/s jira.secondlife.com [ 10001 ]
Component/s Miscellaneous [ 10036 ]
Rob Linden made changes - 10/Mar/07 12:25 PM
Priority Major [ 3 ] Normal [ 4 ]
Rob Linden made changes - 10/Mar/07 12:26 PM
Summary Add "NO" to Voting System Here Add "No" to voting system on jira.secondlife.com
Rob Linden added a comment - 10/Mar/07 12:33 PM
Please go to jira.atlassian.com and figure out how to do this. If there's a plugin that exists, please reopen this issue with a link to that plugin. If there's a way to address this with the core product, please link us to the instructions for that. If it can only be done with custom programming work, then this will probably need to remain in the "wontfix" state until such a time as the plugin exists, or until I work out a better workflow for importing issues (see https://lists.secondlife.com/pipermail/sldev/2007-March/000804.html )

Votes aren't the only factor in the priority equation. Please add comments to the items in this that you disapprove of.


Rob Linden made changes - 10/Mar/07 12:33 PM
Resolution Won't Fix [ 2 ]
Status Open [ 1 ] Resolved [ 5 ]
WorkingOnIt Linden made changes - 14/May/07 09:33 AM
Link This issue is duplicated by WEB-124 [ WEB-124 ]
Coyote Pace made changes - 12/Dec/07 12:28 PM
Link This issue is related to by WEB-399 [ WEB-399 ]
Rob Linden made changes - 21/Dec/07 11:44 PM
Workflow jira [ 10443 ] jira-2007-12-19 [ 19066 ]
Rob Linden made changes - 22/Dec/07 12:21 AM
Workflow jira-2007-12-19 [ 19066 ] jira-2007-12-21 [ 19489 ]
Rob Linden made changes - 23/Dec/07 12:44 AM
Workflow jira-2007-12-21 [ 19489 ] jira-2007-12-22a [ 49716 ]
Avil Creeggan made changes - 09/Feb/08 01:23 PM
Link This issue Relates to WEB-493 [ WEB-493 ]
Prokofy Neva added a comment - 29/Mar/08 10:36 AM
Rob, just to note here, too: I was in touch with the Atlassian people long ago. I raised this issue directly with them. They were surprised anyone would want a "no" vote. This prejudice in the New Age of New Technology and the drive to have the "wisdom of crowds" double-plus-gooding everything goes very, very deep.

They shrugged and told me to go on their JIRA and struggle with the same kind of people as oppose "no" votes here only there, at JIRA central. That is, I could go and try to put through a change in their software to vote "no" something the original framers had no intention of putting in, because they didn't like it – it went against their power over the product, evidently.

But voting "no" is a basic, ordinary, widely-distributed feature of any Western industrial developed democracy – and also even democracies functioning in the third world under far less developed conditions.

That you see this as merely a "plug-in" problem is indicative. That they can't conceive of anything but a useless struggle for it indulged on their own JIRA is also indicative.

That's how you rapidly come to the conclusion that the JIRA must be overthrown, as working with it peacefully is not productive.


Sue Linden made changes - 13/Nov/08 11:56 AM
Workflow jira-2007-12-22a [ 49716 ] jira-2008-11-14 [ 79507 ]
Sue Linden made changes - 13/Nov/08 04:20 PM
Workflow jira-2008-11-14 [ 79507 ] jira-2008-11-14a [ 84353 ]