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Key: VWR-890
Type: New Feature New Feature
Status: Open Open
Priority: Major Major
Assignee: Unassigned
Reporter: Rhaorth Antonelli
Votes: 221
Watchers: 43
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Add ability to sort Friends list into different categories

Created: 28/May/07 12:05 PM   Updated: Monday 08:25 AM
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Component/s: Chat/IM, User Interface
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Linden Lab Issue ID: SL-45353


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I tried to search through the JIRA fro this suggestion but could not find it, so forgive me if this has already been suggested.
If the friends list could be made to be sortable, meaning we could make folders in the friends list, name the folder then place each friend in the appropiate folder would be awesome.

For example, folders "friends" "business" "work" "family" etc

in each folder place the ppl we want to place in there. Rest of the friends list function as normal.

Thank you for your time.



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Elbereth Witte added a comment - 08/Jun/07 01:54 AM
Sounds good to me, the friends list grows awfully quickly...

Torley Linden added a comment - 12/Jun/07 10:48 AM
Doing this would probably mean that Calling Cards should be abolished, since they're cludgy and "sort of" serve the makeshift purpose of being able to sort contacts into folders. There's much historical context, but long story short, Calling Cards are confusing.

McCabe Maxsted added a comment - 15/Jun/07 11:51 PM
I've always found calling cards pretty much useless except for setting up IM conferences--something that should really be done only from the friends list anyway.

Would this be that hard to implement? If we can sort contacts by name/online status, what would stop you from sorting them into specific folders?


Angel Fluffy added a comment - 22/Jul/07 06:13 PM
Good idea. A buddy list with folders, like IM systems have, would really be much better. Most people (I think) never use calling cards anyway.

Skid Boucher added a comment - 14/Oct/07 10:07 AM
Of course we are more free to enjoy the list, like we wish. I agree with Angel and calling card can be too long for be view in easy and fast way.

Rhaorth Antonelli added a comment - 14/Oct/07 02:03 PM
even if it means getting rid of the calling cards, is that a bad thing?

How many people use calling cards?

I myself would love to see more flexibility with the friends list.


miko Alsop added a comment - 20/Nov/07 11:32 AM
my opinion is that the "calling cards" are really handy, if you get used to them

But since the "friends list" grows very quickly, i would like this new feature.

Another idea that suits me just fine, is to add a check button similar to the "can see my on-line status", or "can modify my objects" one, named "Hohh this guy is a very good friend of mine!!", or something like that, in order to mark the buddies.

(currently i just use the "can modify my objects" box to separate the really sympathetic ones or the closed ones from just the contacts or the "i ve seen once" guys..


Peter Stindberg added a comment - 05/Dec/07 05:43 AM
I also would like to keep the cards - I use them a lot. It would be even more handy if the could be transferred and put into notecards for example. But I'd really love to have categories and folders for the friends list.

Peter Stindberg added a comment - 12/Dec/07 05:27 AM
Created a new feature request for the calling card handling I mentioned above. See http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-3800

star chastity added a comment - 12/Dec/07 09:12 AM
This would make things much simpler, while I do use calling cards currently most people do not know what to do with them when i give them out and still try to friend me anyways... so when i am trying to find my friends all i typically see are business related contacts.

I have a huge grip about the so and so come online / went offline, that should be controled per person(or at least per tab!) not all or none. I do not care if a business assoc or a resident has come on unless i really need to speak to them. This just clogs up my screen, however when i turn this feature off i do not see the people who i want to know if they come on or not (such as managers, friends and my partner)

Finally, I believe that you should be able to set an automatic reply per each tab. so say tic this box and put in the text so all contacts in that tab get a message when they im you. i.e. say there is a tab for residents I could put in a note that says something along the lines of "If you do not get a reply I may be away or busy, please contact so and so managers if it is an emergancy, or when i return i will get with you" Like instructions, without having to put myself in busy mode which doesnt allow me to use texture viewers, shop ect (cause it automaticly declines)


Saskia McLaglen added a comment - 26/Dec/07 02:43 PM
This really would be useful, can it be that difficult to implement? Whole operating systems rely on directories (folders) so why not in a friends list?

Taryn London added a comment - 06/Feb/08 08:04 AM
Along with this feature, an option to appear online/offline to specific groups of people would be nice as well. i.e. have a "family" group, "Friends" group, "Work" group, etc, and be able to set it so you are only showing online to your family, or your business associates. Instead of having to remove the "can see my online status" individually from each person.

Rhaorth Antonelli added a comment - 05/Mar/08 05:02 PM
almost a year since submitting this issue, I would love to hear back from a linden (Torley?) if anything is being planned for this...

Pixie Heinkel added a comment - 07/Mar/08 05:52 AM
I believe the "can see my online status" feature IS NOT WORKING!!!

Soo Novi added a comment - 01/May/08 04:49 AM
I'm in complete agreement with this and most of the comments. The friends list, and how it relates to the use of calling cards, is cumbersome and soon becomes a user-unfriendly annoyance as it is. If we could make groups, and perhaps the ability to toggle the "can see me" function by group, it would be helpful.

Further, just get rid of the "X user is online" and "X user is offline" spam garbage in my chat history! If it's too much trouble to be able to toggle it, either individually or by group, then PLEASE just get rid of it. Several hundred people on a friends list that must be maintained for business purposes makes my chat history unusable, and is an annoyance during attempts to search my inventory or scroll through a search, defaulting my view back to the top of the list every time someone logs on or off.

Calling cards are useful (but the "must be given to function" feature is an annoyance) until you get more people in one folder than the conferencing ability can handle, then it just stops working for no apparent reason. Either extend the conferencing ability of calling cards or get rid of them and just keep it all on the friends list - which is an argument for better organization features on the friends list.

And how many of us wouldn't like a "to be deleted later" folder in the list, negating the need for silly "I don't accept friends from strangers" explanations; and sorting the compulsorily friended person you only had to interface with once but had to friend them to be able to tp them for one interaction into an easy to find clean-up method.


Rhaorth Antonelli added a comment - 11/Oct/08 11:47 AM
Hi, just wondering if anything will be done about this, been nearly 1.5 years since this was submitted. Torley will anything ever be done about the contact list (I don't like calling it a friends list, as a lot of folks are contacts, and not actually friends). Let us know what it is happening Torley. Thanks

Frans Charming added a comment - 25/Oct/08 02:27 PM
There is a solution If anyone else has the same annoyance as Soo Novi, you can turn the online and offline messages off in preferences. I believe in the general tab.

SignpostMarv Martin added a comment - 29/Nov/08 11:03 PM

Rhaorth Antonelli added a comment - 30/Nov/08 12:08 AM
signpostmarv

I am not sure I understand what your link has to do with this jira submission

how does that webpage fix the friends list request placed here?

(sorry about the confusion...)


SignpostMarv Martin added a comment - 30/Nov/08 12:52 AM
1) One doesn't have to rely on a built-in feature to categorise one's friends list
2) It highlights the issue that categorising a large number of contacts takes quite some time (without a batch manager)
3) Under the XFN (XHTML Friends Network ) spec, which seems to be what people are effectively asking for, you can have multiple combinations of the relationship categories, thus rendering a folder-based system limiting.

Regarding point 3, for contact list categorisation to take place in-world, Calling cards would be the best way to go about it, as copies of calling cards can be made, but copies of contact list entries cannot.

Under the XFN spec, new calling cards would go into the Contacts folder by default, though all the old ones would remain in their current locations.

I would suggest keeping calling cards for their ability to be used as a batch management feature- e.g. the ability to set someone as a co-worker and a friend- but removing the oddity of having the viewer parse the entire inventory to update any calling cards with online/offline statuses.

If the communications window were given filters (uncheck to hide peeps in those categories), then updating the inventory to reflect presence under the XFN-based model would be pointless (since the communication window list would hold now all contacts, and the calling cards folder in the inventory would hold calling cards for all people in the communication window)


Rhaorth Antonelli added a comment - 30/Nov/08 01:38 AM
ah ty for the explanation

I still stand by my original comments and request

I would like to have the ability to sort the contact list in world, without having to make folders in my inventory and sort via calling cards.

shrug

(add to that, why would I want my contact list publicly listed as it shows yours...)

or am I missing something else?


SignpostMarv Martin added a comment - 30/Nov/08 02:28 AM
ah, the relationship manager has 3 privacy settings:

1) private (the default)- keep to yourself, don't share with people logged in.
2) share- only show to people logged onto the site
3) publish- show to anyone

I just set everything to publish because I needed to do some stress testing with the code involved in rendering the page, and to give a decent amount of example content for the personalised rezdays calendars http://svc.sl.net.marvulous.co.uk/resident/SignpostMarv%20Martin/friends.hcal

Rhaorth- with the current UI elements for the contact list, a Resident can only be in one category at a time.

The folder setup is the only way you could put your contacts into multiple categories, and it already has the drag & drop code.


Rhaorth Antonelli added a comment - 30/Nov/08 02:36 AM
Thanks for your info signpostmarv.

I am sure that this will not be implemented into SL, being this was first put here almost 2 years ago...

however I have no interest in any 3rd party alternatives....

this is what I am hoping for, against hope, one never knows, they "might" one day have it so we can do it in world

until then, I won't stress over it (as I have not stressed over it yet)

again thank you for your info though, it might come in handy for others


RodineiNunes Andel added a comment - 07/Dec/08 08:30 AM
I would like to know as to apply the update to be able to inside organize my friends of the window of the FRIENDS

TigroSpottystripes Katsu added a comment - 07/Dec/08 01:29 PM - edited
damn babelfishery rolls eyes

I think that was supposed to be somthing like:

"I would like to know how to apply this update in order to be able to organize my friends inside of the friends list window" (still not a perfect translation, if I knew the true intention of who made the original phrase perhaps I could be able to do a better job)

now to try answer that comment, or at least what I understood of it, there isn't any "update" nor anything like that for this so far as far as I know


Garn Conover added a comment - 08/Feb/09 01:31 AM
From VWR-1163

For example, group A has perms to see me online, find me on the map, beeps with sound A when the window is minimized or when I get another message from them. Group B has no perms, and doesn't beep unless I have less than X conversations open.

And, that we could see the "group", like an ICQ buddy list:

Friends ->
----Someone somebody
----John Doe
----Kitty Kit
Co-workers ->
----Bossy Boss
----SomeComputer Fanatic
----SomeoneThatWorksNextTo Mii
Family ->
----Mama Mona
----Dade Blade
----Dada ili

And those are not real of course '_ lol.


Garn Conover added a comment - 08/Feb/09 01:56 AM - edited
Linking VWR-5325, the ability to add people to conference w/o calling card or friends

I want the check boxes on the bottom like the old friends list too but I don't think it will happen


roxie logan added a comment - 05/Mar/09 04:44 AM
I have to agree with Garn here.

This idea for a future adjustment to the chat interface of having Sections for the buddy list
like on other messengers and chat interfaces all over the internet would be a very useful tool.

Having the buddy list with the ability to be sectioned up into catagories would be a great enhancement.


Aki Shichiroji added a comment - 22/Apr/09 09:37 PM
I hate to drag this up again for anyone who is watching this issue, but I'm gonna cast my two cents in here as well.

My account has been around for about 3 years. I do private and commercial content creation, I know folks from live music events, clubs, friends of friends, etc. There are many parts of my SL that are not necessarily inclusive of each other... yet the nature of the friends list as it currently stands basically means that anyone I set to see me online can and will contact me at whatever time they see fit.

While I understand appearing offline does not necessarily solve a partially social problem, it would go a long way to assisting organization of friends lists so that setting of online status, mapping, and object edit permissions is easily done in batches.

As someone who has a few hundred people on her list, i would greatly... GREATLY appreciate some means of sorting people on my list to adjust these settings OR even just to remember where I know them from.

As Second Life grows older and endeavors to retain its user base, I believe this will be very important to develop, and soon.


reghan straaf added a comment - 01/May/09 09:12 PM
This is on my wish list, it has my vote, and happily so.

What I would also like to see (I don't think it has been mentioned, but if it has, I missed it!) is the ability to choose whose logins and logouts get to pop up on my screen. As another person who has a few hundred contacts on her list, I don't want to see everyone log in and out, it's intrusive and distracting if I am in the middle of creating stuff. By turning that off, though, I don't get to see when my good friends log in.

I would also like the ability to press one button and appear offline to everybody for those times where I do not wish to be disturbed. Busy mode isn't always convenient, particularly with texture organizers.

Thanks!


Aelthing Aeon added a comment - 27/May/09 02:28 PM
If only I knew how to give a calling card...

TigroSpottystripes Katsu added a comment - 27/May/09 02:38 PM
I think it is one of the options in the pie menu when you click on someone

Alx Harrop added a comment - 09/Aug/09 02:30 PM
I have pretty much given up on the friends window completely. Instead I do a search in the inventory for "(online)" That shows the contact cards for all your friends that are online. I've sorted these cards into different folders to keep some sort of order.

It's even possible to copy a contact card, so the same friend can be in more than one category.

What I'd really wish for is for a way to pop up a new inventory, with this "(online)" search already entered, so I could access the friends list easier. Maybe we could add new tabs in the inventory, one for this "(online)" and one for the other useful search, "(worn".