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Key: VWR-7579
Type: Bug Bug
Status: Resolved Resolved
Resolution: Duplicate
Priority: Showstopper Showstopper
Assignee: Unassigned
Reporter: eren padar
Votes: 2
Watchers: 2
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Excess time loading textures-- Does this encourage shopping?

Created: 02/Jun/08 06:49 PM   Updated: 25/Dec/08 11:34 AM
Component/s: None
Affects Version/s: 1.22 Release Candidate, 1.22 Public Nightly
Fix Version/s: None

Time Tracking:
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File Attachments: 1. File Blank Vendor_001.bmp (2.77 MB)

Environment:
Second Life 1.19.1 (4) Apr 2 2008 11:59:37 (Second Life Release)

CPU: Intel Core 2 Series Processor (2399 MHz)
Memory: 3327 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 8800 GTS/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2
LLMozLib Version: [LLMediaImplLLMozLib] - 2.01.15603 (Mozilla GRE version 1.8.1.13_0000000000)
Viewer Digest: bb2966f6-cf81-a0de-1e21-dcd21f05428a
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I have been at this market for approximately 20 minutes. It's a sky market with nothing else within visible range. I click on a vendor, and two minutes later here is still what I get (see the photo).

Does this encourage shopping? Commerce? Continued use of Second Life?

Please folks, fix the texture loading problems. I've seen this complaint on the forums as far as three years back. How long does it take to load a texture, anyway?



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eren padar added a comment - 11/Jun/08 01:05 PM
Alexa, how the @#$@# is this misfiled? I am reporting a BUG regarding extremely slow load on textures. You folks have had users complaining about this problem for (how many?) years now.

So if we don't file bugs about textures on JIRA... exactly where do we file them? And as a Linden Lab employee, how do you consider it proper customer response to say something is "misfiled" without a word of explanation or suggestion as to how to better file it?

No disrespect intended Alexa, but seriously folks, you make customers wonder why we even waste our time with this. We don't file JIRA reports just because we enjoy paperwork.


Alexa Linden added a comment - 11/Jun/08 01:58 PM
Eren, this is something that is more related to your specific computer rather than all users as a whole. I am unable to reproduce a 20 minute texture load on either of my two machines. You are free to contact support on this.

eren padar added a comment - 11/Jun/08 02:25 PM - edited
Alexa, with all due respect, this is NOT something related to my computer. I'm sorry you can't reproduce the problem... but maybe you need to try from a remote system that's not directly connected to Linden Lab networks.

This texture loading problem is widespread and has had numerous complaints from users all over the grid. The texture loading issue is well-known, well-documented, and I guarantee you it is not specific to my computer. I have a killer quad-core system, an Nvidia 8800 512meg graphics card, 4 gigs of ram, a 6.5mb clean cable internet feed, and I'm a systems analyst. So I think I know my stuff, my computer rocks... and Linden Lab has serious texture resolution problems.

Once again Lindens... your customers and their computers are not the problem. IT'S YOUR SOFTWARE and DATABASE STRUCTURES.

I mean seriously, no insult intended, but your company can't even get chat right and your databases lose inventory items on a regular basis. So the problem is my computer? Get serious and let's put the blame where the blame lies. It's not your customer's computers.

Forgive me putting it this way, but no wonder Linden Lab has major bugs that are years old. It's like the alcoholic who denies he has a problem. To fix the problem, you have to first recognize it exists.


collin appin added a comment - 13/Jun/08 04:41 AM - edited
Examining the history of similar reports on this JIRA:

REFERENCE:
VWR 1119 "On these lines though, fix the damned LOD, it still seems to struggle to do its job, because it's either no taking into account all the factors (ie is oblivious to my plummeting frame-rates) or it is just plain broken."
VWR 648 Selected texture not loaded in Inv > Textures
VWR 6977 Texture loading much worse on new system-- failure to cache. "Lex Neva - 01/May/08 10:21 AM They are redesigning texture loading, and this project is "high priority": https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Texture_Pipeline_Improvements"
VWR 3798 Sculpt textures not loading for many minutes, APPEAR to have too low a priority in the interest list.
VWR 7251 "Rendering performance/client-side lag SIGNIFICANTLY worse with 1.20.6 with equivalent/same graphics settings as compared to 1.19.1(4). Texture loading (particularly sculpt maps) DRAMATICALLY slower, overall client-side frame rate significantly lower, GPU temperatures noticeably higher. I can't achieve similar performance to the released (1.19.1(4)) viewer even with graphics settings at MINIMUMS (run quite well w/ "mid-level" graphics settings in currently released viewer).
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VWR 4164 "Some texture extremely slow to load, some taking up to 30 min. Changing bandwith and graphics options had no effect in speeding up the load."
VWR 5785 "This is still a problem. I am getting numerous support requests from customers on this issue, and it is affecting sales as customers ask me why stuff at my shop has not fully rezzed. Bug is still present in 1.19.1(4)"

This user did not report a "20 minute texture load" (although such is very common on SL). He reported being in a market for 20 minutes, and after clicking on a vendor the texture still not showing up after two minutes.

As claimed in this JIRA, texture loading bugs are prevalent, documented and as Lex Neva pointed above, Linden Lab is aware of it. This would appear to not be a problem with the user computer but as pointed out, coding and database issues.

This calls to question why this bug report was twice marked as "resolved" by Linden Lab, why it was labeled as "misfiled" and why the poster was directed to contact customer support. This is a reported and widespread bug, not a customer specific problem. Seems like Linden Lab employees are getting tired of handling multitudinous JIRA reports. ; )


Kelley Boyd added a comment - 24/Dec/08 11:10 PM
This is a problem because in the 5 years since it was first reported, Linden Labs hasn't bothered to convert the UDP texture loading to HTTP; which is well known to be much, much faster. And, despite hundreds of people voting for this issue to be fixed, the Lindens have put bells & whistles ahead of fixing this very basic problem which is the cause of the vast majority of the lag problems in Second Life. If they would just fix this, the number of complaints they'd have to field would drop significantly, giving them more time to work on their infernal bells & whistles.

meni kaiousei added a comment - 25/Dec/08 11:34 AM
Please add your comments to VWR-8503. Vote for that issue and add your additional comments there. VWR-8503 is under the attention of Linden Lab.