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Key: VWR-4826
Type: New Feature New Feature
Status: Resolved Resolved
Resolution: Fixed
Priority: Normal Normal
Assignee: Soft Linden
Reporter: Marcos Fonzarelli
Votes: 62
Watchers: 10
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Add an "Ignore" button to friendship requests to keep online status private

Created: 27/Jul/07 04:39 AM   Updated: 16/Jun/09 01:48 PM
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Component/s: User Interface
Affects Version/s: None
Fix Version/s: 1.23 Release Candidate, 1.23

File Attachments: 1. Text File VWR-4826 ignore add friend and calling cards.patch (0.6 kB)

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Last Triaged: 02/Oct/08 10:39 AM
Linden Lab Issue ID: DEV-17117
Patch attached: Patch attached
Linden Lab Internal Branch: maint-viewer-12


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"Add Friend" in profile is being abused to determine my online status.

When I log in, and receive a friendship request, the requesting user receives a message when I either accept or decline. Many people are using this to determine when I log in, so they can then send me messages... usually about items I sell in my SL business.

It is not necessary for users to do this. I respond to IMs that are sent with questions about my items. Allowing other users to monitor my online status is an invasion of my privacy.

"Mute user" is not an adequate response to this. I do not wish to mute everyone in Second Life who requests friendship from me.

Please add an "Ignore" button to the dialog box with the friendship request that sends no confirmation to other users. This would allow me to dismiss the request without alerting other users to my online status.



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Lex Neva added a comment - 27/Jul/07 09:01 AM
So THAT'S why they're offering me friendship so often. I'm all for that ignore option, and have been for ages. Even before this was abused to determine online status, there were often social situations when it would be untactful for me to decline a friendship offer from someone, but I also didn't want to accept it. Like that Marcos Fonzarelli creep. (kidding!)

My only option was to leave the offer sitting in the upper right corner of my screen until I logged off.

Unfortunately, even an ignore option wouldn't prevent people from using the add friend button to determine whether you're online when they press it. The message they receive will depend on whether you are online. Inventory offers can also be abused in this way, although I think people haven't quite caught on to this yet.


Aimee Congrejo added a comment - 27/Jul/07 12:22 PM
Edited summary to add: Add "Ignore" button

Yah, this is an annoyance for me too. I get a lot of random friend requests from people who don't even have the courtesy to IM me and say hi first...some from people I see on my scanner...some from people who must be altcamming me from across the sim.

I'd like the option to Ignore and not even give them an acknowledgement of accept/deny after checking their profile and seeing if they're creepy. Cuz usually a deny results in an IM storm from them calling me a bitch. LOL


Spikez Stine added a comment - 27/Jul/07 03:22 PM
Heh, I definately agree. Some new members I meet offer friendships all the time and I don't want them to think I don't like them by declining friendship and if I accept I don't know them that much and it just fills up my Friends list with unknown people. I'm picky about the people on my Friends list.

Lex Neva added a comment - 28/Jul/07 08:44 AM
I think we need a "jeez, you have to at least take me out to dinner first" button, or a "not on the first date" button.

Ana Lutetia added a comment - 30/Jul/07 09:23 AM
I totally agree with the take me out to dinner...

Elwe Ewing added a comment - 01/Aug/07 03:03 AM
...or add a pay-to-add-as-friend button at least. (jokingly)

Dakini Rhode added a comment - 27/Aug/07 10:01 AM
That ignore button sounds like the ideal solution - I would like to see that feature on the join group invitations, too.

able whitman added a comment - 09/Oct/07 08:14 PM
I'm working on a fix for this, which would entail adding "Ignore" buttons to the notifications for being offered friendship, a calling card, or group membership.

I think this can be fixed with just non-code changes to the UI XML files, but I need to look at the code more thoroughly to make sure.


Marcos Fonzarelli added a comment - 10/Oct/07 04:33 AM
That sounds great, thanks!

Haravikk Mistral added a comment - 22/Oct/07 05:51 AM
I'd go so far as to say that ALL dialogues should have an ignore option. It occurs to me that you could check online status using a call to llRequestPermissions as well, since the PERMISSION_DEBIT box is pretty damned big as well.

It is however VERY important that this ignore button is done similarly to script dialogues, ie it is distinct from other buttons to reduce the chances of a mis-click.


Felixe Thorne added a comment - 07/Feb/08 12:09 PM
You can easy find the online status of anybody you wish to via script.

Changing the issue title to reflect that finding the online status isn't really relevant...


PattehPh0x Katsu added a comment - 26/Feb/08 09:52 AM
This is a bad idea, as mentionned above, it's already possible to check online status with a simple freebie script, a friendship request should give the person who sent it a response, if you're too shy to decline a friendship request from someone, then simply accept it and delete them from your list, then seek psychological help, because you have a problem.

Adding an ignore option would simply cause people to wonder if the request was ever received, and send them over and over again.


Marcos Fonzarelli added a comment - 26/Feb/08 10:05 AM
If you disagree, that's fine, but there's no need to insult.

"Psychological help" indeed.


McCabe Maxsted added a comment - 25/Jun/08 04:41 AM
Okay, I'm attaching a patch to ignore that adds an ignore button to friends adds and calling card offers for 1.20rc10. If you click ignore when someone offers to add friends they won't see any message, same with calling cards. Able was half right. You can do that bit in xml, but if you add an ignore button to inv offers ignoring them will send the inv to the trash, giving a "such and such declined your inventory offer" message to the sender.

Soft Linden added a comment - 25/Jun/08 05:20 AM
Thanks, McCabe. Imported. Want!

Soft Linden added a comment - 10/Oct/08 02:14 PM
I'm still crediting McCabe with the patch, but I went a different route with this. I got rid of the decline message. Those just give people negative pings, and fewer buttons on these dialogs is better.

There's also a new feature, where a reason for the invite can be provided, similar to how teleport invitations can include text. This will help eliminate bogus rejections.


Lamorna Proctor added a comment - 27/Jan/09 08:48 AM
I strongly agree wth the proposal to add this feature. I would also like to see an Ignore button when people offer unsolicited inventory. People abuse both friendship requests and inventory offers in order to find out if I am online, and I want to simply dismiss them.

Arawn Spitteler added a comment - 27/Jan/09 11:04 AM
Reason Why boxes in the requests, and Reason Why Not boxes in the declensions seem both good ideas. Rather like adding textbox to llDialog, as well as having seperate llTextBox. Any declension of Friendship is also a declension of an inventory item, so I wonder if Ignore is actually possible. Scripted Declensions should be possible, but could be a more complicated patch. "So-And_So is automatically declining friendship offers."

The Text Boxes kind of make it a sequel of getting the llTextBox() working.


Techwolf Lupindo added a comment - 11/Feb/09 10:47 PM
@Soft Linden, Is there an updated patch? The only one I see is the one from McCabe and Soft Linden commented on some changes with it.

Soft Linden added a comment - 12/Feb/09 07:50 AM
It's not there as a patch - it's committed to the maint-viewer-12 branch, which should hit the 1.23 viewer.

Winter Ventura added a comment - 03/Mar/09 07:31 PM - edited
Voted Voted Voted!

I can't tell you how many wasted hours of my week are caused by a new user offering me friendship out of the blue. While obviously, this one action can't waste much time, the options are, and seemingly always have been, "Accept" or "Decline"..Pressing "Accept" sends the user the message "Winter Ventura has accepted your friendship offer"... that's very friendly and nice.. but pressing "Decline" sends the message "Winter Ventura has declined your friendship offer"

Problem is, of course, that THAT comes across as "Winter Ventura doesn't like you, and doesn't want to be your friend"... and more often than not (I'm really not joking here).. the offer-er will launch into an extended guilt-trip discussion, "y dont u wanna b my friend?".. and this will usually eat time and energy.. all because it TELLS them for some unknown reason, that I declined. I've actually had to dedicate one of the "Picks" in my profile to this, (not that anyone ever reads it).

I don't know what drives people to friend strangers and shop owners. For a while, I had the feeling that people were friending because they didn't know how to IM people who weren't on their friends list. Later, I thought it might be because they wanted to "find a time when we were both on, to ask for support" or wanted to offer teleports and couldn't figure out how... but more and more, I just get the idea that the new users thing that SL is MySpace.. and he who has the most names on his friendslist, wins.

Many times, I will just "relog" when offered friendship by a stranger, to dismiss the dialog unanswered. So there you go, added stress on the asset and login servers and whatnot, just to avoid the drama of pressing "decline".

Removing the "declined" answer is such an elegant fix for this problem.


Brandon Shinobu added a comment - 27/Apr/09 08:29 PM
I'm voting for this, but I'd like to know: would it be terribly hard to put an option in preferences which automatically denies friendship requests with an optional customized message? (somewhat like a busy-response, but specific to friend requests that's independent of the busy setting).

Soft Linden added a comment - 27/Apr/09 11:00 PM
@brandon - I'd make a new JIRA proposing that, along with the rationale for wanting it. It's totally okay to mention the JIRA here to try and direct discussion over to the new one.

Brandon Shinobu added a comment - 30/Apr/09 10:52 PM
Created

Please view the following link if you would be interested in a preference that would allow for the auto-denial of friend requests, that return an automated "response message" such as is done when a friend request is made in busy mode.

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-13114


Techwolf Lupindo added a comment - 04/Jun/09 09:36 AM
I got a friendship request on 1.23.3.RC3, the ignore button was NOT there. Still not fixed.

Soft Linden added a comment - 04/Jun/09 09:39 AM
@Techwolf - see October 10, 2008 comment above

Instead of doing the ignore button, decline messages are no longer sent. So declining operates as an ignore would have.


HUGSaLOT Valkyrie added a comment - 15/Jun/09 02:37 PM
I've been wanting a [ Profile ] button for the longest time. Most of the time I get friend requests when I'm offline, or from users who aren't even near me (or the sim is over populated to spot them) and it would be nice if I can just bring up their profile from the friend request it self, before I respond to it. It's really cumbersome to manually type in the users name in people search to find their profile.

Soft Linden added a comment - 15/Jun/09 02:46 PM
@HUGSaLOT - your best bet would be to create a new JIRA for a feature like that. Something mentioned in comments won't get seen by most people, and won't get turned into a task for anyone.

Dessie Linden added a comment - 15/Jun/09 04:52 PM
Fixed in 1.23.4, released on 06/15/2009.

Winter Ventura added a comment - 16/Jun/09 12:51 PM - edited
Second Life 1.23.4 (123908) Jun 11 2009 15:16:56 (Second Life Release)

Uhm.. I hate to ask this.. but where is the ignore button? Cause I'm not seeing it.

Is there some kind of secret debug option I have to enable to ignore friendship offers? Did the patch get left out of the build? Or does it not work with offline friendship requests?


Harleen Gretzky added a comment - 16/Jun/09 01:10 PM
An Ignore button was not added, just decline messages are no longer sent.

Soft Linden added a comment - 10/Oct/08 02:14 PM
I'm still crediting McCabe with the patch, but I went a different route with this. I got rid of the decline message. Those just give people negative pings, and fewer buttons on these dialogs is better.

There's also a new feature, where a reason for the invite can be provided, similar to how teleport invitations can include text. This will help eliminate bogus rejections.


Soft Linden added a comment - 16/Jun/09 01:48 PM
It's as Harleen says. (Thanks, Harleen!)