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Dana Kosrae added a comment - 28/Jun/07 08:15 PM
Absolutgely. This would be useful and should be easy to implement. Also, we really should be able to belong to more groups.
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I disagree with this.
There is an option in the group listings, for the owner to choose whether or not a group is shown in the profile. There are many cases where allowing people to hide their groups would be a bad thing. For example, "I am for a free second life". Having that group in your profile is a political statement, and to hide it would render it pointless. I can see why Jazhara made it visible, and I do not think this should be changed. If you don't like the admin's choice of visibility, you're free to leave a group. === Jazhara's group is unlike most other groups ====
There are probably more people who abuse the current situation than would abuse the situation where anyone could hide groups from their profile.
=== This could be done in a way OK for Jazhara's group === If the Jazhara case is a serious problem, why not add a group role permission "can hide membership from profile"? That would allow groups for whom publicity is very important to continue as they are now. So long as that power was given to everybody by default, it would still result in a big privacy gain for most people. This would be very good for those who do not want to reveal that they belong to a group to avoid griefing, but want to be in the group. For example the Transgender Resource Center has to run a separate group for those who want to be associated with the Center but do not want that association viewable in their profile. Equally not everyone wants it to appear in their profile that they belong to the Depression Support Group. This is an excellent proposal that could help SL in its positive work with vulnerable communities.
This option is a VERY good idea on privacy grounds.
However, there are also other reasons why it is a good idea. One such reason is preventing confusing or misleading situations. Example confusing situation : There are some people like myself who have to be in certain groups for business reasons, but don't want those groups showing in our profiles because they'd create all sorts of misunderstandings if they did. I still think the privacy of people who are really participants in such groups is a better reason than this "confusion prevention" reason for implementing the group privacy feature. However, I'm still throwing this out there as an additional reason that this group privacy thing would be a good idea. Personally, I have alts to hold group memberships for groups which own land on my sims. I have to. There are so many groups that there is no way in hell I'd ever fit them on my main! Plus, it saves me from people asking endless questions related to the finer points of foo. I think this proposal would be a good idea, both on privacy grounds, and on the grounds that it would prevent misunderstandings. The group role permission sounds good. As long as there's a method for group owners to block hiding too, I'm happy.
I would vote against this is it were possible. Looking at Group membership is one of the few tools available for sim security officers to profile who may need to monitored more closely. I am in favour of increasing the number of group memberships available.
Yes very much pro.. some things should remain private.
@Nicholas Lyndhurst :
I agree that security officers (such as bouncers at clubs) do sometimes look at group memberships in an effort to identify potential troublemakers, and during some types of griefing attacks (e.g. particle spam) where the identity of the griefer is not obvious. Nevertheless I still feel that the privacy gains for ordinary decent people make this feature worth implementing. Griefers that are members of organized griefing gangs usually either use invisible groups or no groups at all, to prevent residents and Lindens respectively from identifying them. Griefers which aren't members of organized griefing gangs might be members of a few groups of ill-repute, but usually, they don't know that they are being profiled by their group memberships. Therefore, the security advantage of not allowing group members to hide their membership of the group from the public is a small one. It helps only in that it allows non-Lindens to better identify few griefers who do use groups and do have them public but would have set their personal membership of them to hidden were they aware of it. That's a pretty narrow case. On the other hand, implementing this feature would give an additional level of privacy to every SL resident. It seems pretty clear to me that a major privacy gain for all SL residents clearly outweighs a minor loss in terms of our ability to find out more about other avatars' group memberships. So, I take your point. Yes implementing this feature might slightly reduce security officers' ability to profile people. This is annoying, but I think the privacy gains for all SL residents are worth it. The latest version of SL appears to have a "List Group in Profile" checkbox on the "General" tab for each group you are a member of.
It looks like LL have implemented this feature. Great move LL, this is a great step forward for resident privacy If "show in search" is unchecked, but "list group in profile" is checked, it still does not show to others, is this normal?
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