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Dave Beaumont added a comment - 24/Apr/07 07:46 AM
It would be very useful if this feature also disabled the problem with IMs - if you're online but showing as offline, and a friend sends you an IM - they won't be told you're offline and will therefore know that you're avoiding contact.
I agree with this. If we don't want to be visible, we should have the option not to be. Spend much time in SL and you become involved in enough groups and make enough friends that it gets hard to get some quiet time to work on things without giving up or putting oneself in busy mode, which has restrictions that become a hassle.
And yes, fix the BUG wherein you can decline to show your online status to a friend, who can then reveal your online status simply by sending you an IM. That's a bug, plain and simple. Oversight might be a nicer word. you mean the avatar invisible or just not letting your friends see you as online on their friends list?
if it is just about the friends list, currently you can set who can see you online, but unfortunately that can only be done while logged in, and depending on the number of friends you have, you might need to set it in "batches" *I think the limit is 10 selected friends at most, not sure i agree completely. if you place yourself invisible in your friends list people can still determine that you are on line. they can either just send you an IM and they won't get a "sorry the person is offline" response....hence you are on line and hiding. addtionally they can just look up your profile and it will tell them you are online, while the friends list shows you offline. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out you are avoiding them. we should have the ability to be TRUELY invisible (not avatar literally invisible) to people on our friends lists if we wish to be. all areas, friends list, profile and an IM directed to an "invislbe" friend should show the same thing, that you are off line, even though you are.
also how about if you are in the same group as someone else they can see if you're online in the group list
This is both a privacy and 'security' issue. It is not about the avi actually being "invisible" while in world, but rather allowing the avi to work without being 'visilble' to friends and others. For many of us, our friends list is a mixture of personal friends and business associates. There are times when I need to get things accomplished and simply don't want ANYONE to know I'm inworld.
I quite agree. Several times this weekend I have logged in with the sole intention of getting a little work done, only to find myself under a deluge of IMs. If it were a set group of people who constantly felt the need to message me the moment I logged in it would be easy enough to either remove them from my friend list, or simply hide my login notices from them, however it is often different people, and many of them.
I find it odd that SL lacks an option that has been standard with instant messenger clients since the late 90's. This feature is badly needed. We need to be able to be in world and have no one who is not in sight be aware of our presence. IMs, group membership lists, responses to object transfers, etc. should be the same as when we are logged off. It would be nice if exceptions could be made for residents or groups, but that would be icing on the cake. It can be very hard to get any work done without offending friends. This would be analogous to not answering the phone or the door in rl when one doesn't want to be interuppted, something people do when they don't want to be disturbed and don't want to offend callers.
You do know why there isn't a huge outcry with the development community, because most of them setup an alt to accomplish this. I have had many suggest that and frankly hate the idea. I know people who have tried that only to have to make another new alt in a month because everyone figures it out eventually. It does help with maxed out group numbers, but that is a problem everyone is facing. Having an alt is also technically against Linden policy (now there is one that really gets ignored), but it is a complete hassle when doing any development since you even though you can set full permissions on the items you create and give to your real AV, your alt is immediately revealed in anything with a simple inspection of the item. Sure there are creator changing options, but not of them simple.
I just want to be able to log in without anyone knowing, get something done, check notecards/annoucements/ims, and relax or build without giving up the ability to follow incoming ims, group chat, and monitor status of my friends who allow it. Maybe secretly this isn't being fixed as motivation to reduce your number of friends to something where clicking on and off would be managable. But even then, we need something that doesn't blip that we are online, only to have us go off a minute later when we turn them off. We need an option in the login screen, one check box "Stealth" or "Invisible" or "Peaceful" or "Pretend Not Here." so many applications I use have a button up the top to select all, why not friends windows?
I want to be able to try to learn to script sometimes. It would be great if it was also more privacy options, but not having to tick a box hundreds of times would be a start. This is something I would really like to see implemented. "Set Busy" is not the answer because I would still like to receive group notices and offered inventory and read IMs if I'm inclined. With so much inventory being No Transfer, an alt is not the answer either.
But I'm getting tired of having to make excuses - or worse, not respond - to friends about why I'm not coming to dance or hang out, when I'm working on my projects or when I simply want to explore or shop alone, try on clothes, clean up my inventory, or have a peaceful conversation with one person or a small group of people. My online time is already pretty limited; I would really like to preserve a bit more of it for myself without looking rude and antisocial. An expanded, more nuanced menu of privacy options would greatly enhance the experience for all of us. Right, the "instant message" aspects of SL should not be treated as part of the "in world" aspects. We need both a "light IM client" and an "online but not logged in".
It's like having a cellphone you can never put down. You should make the UUID Offline too, they're so many gadgets for sale that show if you are offline or not
Well its been two years, multiple duplicates, over 180 votes, and still not even a passing comment from the dev team.. This feature is surely an absolute must. As owner of a busy store, the ability to appear offline would be invaluatble. If I'm in the middle of scripting some brain numbing function, not having to stop every five minutes for the 'Hi'... 'Why aren't you answering me'.... 'I was wondering if i could get a discount if i promote your store'.... 'HELLO'.... 'ARE YOU THERE' type IM's would do wonders for both my product output rate and, blood pressure.
Come on Linden, if you had only devoted the dev time spent on re-arranging the bl00dy pie menu (so that i go into 'edit appearance' every couple of minutes) to super useful and popular features like this one then we'd all be all over you like a bunch of male frogs come the next 'hug a linden' day! Surely some anally retentive policitian has created a human rights law on privicy that Linden Labs would feel compelled to follow? This is absolutely something that should be implemented; should have been implemented years ago, imo. IM clients - as someone said - have had this functionality almost from the start and as far back as the 1990s. There's simply no good reason not to have this useful feature. I agree with everyone who said the ability to come in and not be seen so as to get some work done or have some personal, quiet downtime would be invaluable.
It's not so much as being "invisible" as "not available"
I agree with everything everyone has said concerning this issue. I came across this jira while googling for a way to login invisibly to all friends and groups (yes, offline status to all groups one is a member of would be very nice as well). When one has many friends, involved in many groups, and involved in business activities in world as well, this feature becomes even more important, in order to come online and have the peace and quiet needed to work on things.
Additionally, I would like to see a command line parameter added for this as well. There sure is a lot that would have to change to support this feature. Group behavior, querying online status, almost every part of Second Life might have to change. Perhaps the alt route is superior to introducing that many more function points. the more function points the higher the defect rate climbs.
Thinking more about it recently, the avatar is not really needed for most of what I want to do without people knowing that I'm logged in, e.g., build, work with inventory, work with note cards. All I really need for building is the camera and access to the menus and the world, and for the rest, I just need access to inventory. What this amounts to is access to the database through a different interface.
Ann, I don't think it would be that hard. I think that there is an "online" flag that any code that wants to know checks. It shouldn't be too hard to have them check a "public" flag. They probably all use the same subroutine, and it is the only thing that would have to be rewritten, except for code to set the "public" flag. Seems to me that the programming would be quite simple. The problem that I have with using alts is that the alt is the creator of what it creates, and I want to be listed as the creator, and alts can't use my inventory and can't have access to my no transfer items. |
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But it defeats the purpose of not being disturbed that it's so very easy to circumvent this.