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Key: VWR-3800
Type: New Feature New Feature
Status: Open Open
Priority: Normal Normal
Assignee: Unassigned
Reporter: Peter Stindberg
Votes: 9
Watchers: 1
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Extend use of Calling Cards for organizational purposes and better communication

Created: 12/Dec/07 05:22 AM   Updated: 22/Nov/08 06:49 AM
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Component/s: Avatar/Character, Chat/IM, Permissions, User Interface
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Calling cards, though often neglected, are a great way to organize contacts in-world. I for example use them to organize the staff of my virtual company into different categories. There are two functionalisties missing though:

1) Calling cards either need to be "given", or the person needs to be on your friends list. It would be helpful if you can actively "take" a calling card instead. I don't see privacy issues here since the profile can be retrieved anytime via search, but maybe a calling card "request" with the option to deny it might be a compromise.

2) Calling cards should be copy/trans, so that they can be embedded into notecards. If I give a notecard to a client, my name needs to get copied out of the card (or the properties) and then entered into search. An embedded Calling Card might solve this by simply double-clicking on it.



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Coyote Pace added a comment - 12/Dec/07 06:32 AM
These are excellent suggestions, especially i if the Friends feature is going to continue to be a monolithic list of, well: friends.

In particular, being able to proactively request a calling card (in the same way as one would proffer an offer to Friend) would be very helpful. There are many people I'd like to be able to re-contact from time to time who I'm not at all "Friends" with – neither of us need to know when the other is online, be mapped, etc.

Currently, asking for a calling card via chat/IM often entails explaining what one is, and how to find the option in the pie menu. An calling card request-and-response exchange dialog would eliminate that, and very likely increase the use of them in lieu of unnecessary Friending for what is essentially a phone-book feature.

I would add also:

3) Add a third tab to the Contacts page of the Communicate window with Calling Cards listed for easy IM/Profile retrieval (at least). If these could be shown in their enclosing Inventory folders, all the better – that is, in much the same way as the Texture Picker filters for textures from Inventory but keeps them semi-organized in their folders.


Peter Stindberg added a comment - 13/Dec/07 02:48 AM
Actually, now that I think about it, there is no way of sending a Calling Card if you are not vis-a-vis with the avatar you like to give the card to, since it is only available via the pie-menu. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Mercia Mcmahon added a comment - 13/Dec/07 05:08 AM
Workaround: IM someone to say you want them to have your card so you will offer them friendship and once thy accept they can remove you from her/his friends' list, which automatically removes him/her from your friends' list.

The workaround is preferable to the proposal as I get enough spam without every minor just arrived in SL deciding to give me a business card for their "I can make you rich" scheme. (Don't bother commenting about making an Abuse Report, in nine months of making Abuse Reports I had one response and that was 8 months ago).

I would vote for a proposal where there is a check box in my Profile, "Allow other residents to take my calling card from my Profile".

The calling card list should automatically include your own card (preferably at the top of the list) to facilitate selling land to self.

PS, Peter you are right and that restriction should stay in place.


Nicholaz Beresford added a comment - 14/Dec/07 02:54 AM

I'd like transferrable cards. It often happens, that I'm referring someone to someelse (like "oh, ask Joe Doe about this issue") and it would be nice to just give them a copy of Joe Doe's card.

Mercia Mcmahon added a comment - 14/Dec/07 03:14 AM
Nicholaz, I used to complain about non-transferability of calling cards as it prevents you getting a copy of your own card from a friend, but this JIRA issue made me realize why non-transferability is in place. You would soon get a new form of noob employment. Handing out cards to everyone who passes by. Just like the flyer distributers in RL city centres. Except that in SL this becomes spam and don't start me on the completely useless Abuse Police.

A big NO!!! to transferable cards.


Peter Stindberg added a comment - 14/Dec/07 03:36 AM
Mercia, you keep stressing this n00b-spam a lot. Well, if I recall me being a newbie, it was quite a steep learning curve. Spamming like you envision it simply can't be done by new users, at least if they are not alt's of experienced users.

On the other hand, handing out Calling Cards to anyone in the vicinity can be done already now, with only 2 mouseclicks more. And maybe someone playing around with libSL can do it automated. As with everything you receive (except L$), you still have the "discard" option, and of course the "mute" option which permanently gets rid of the problem.

As with every feature, there is potential for abuse. However I think the legitimate use of my suggestions outweighs the - in my opinion rather remote - chance for abuse. And I made some compromise suggestions in my initial text that should lessen the impact a bit.

You are right not to start on LL's Abuse Policy in this context. I share your grudge, but let's keep JIRA clean of that.


Mercia Mcmahon added a comment - 14/Dec/07 10:14 AM
p:Mercia, you keep stressing this n00b-spam a lot.
m:Yes because I receive it via IM on an almost daily basis, I reckon because Estate Owners get targeted more, as thanks to a certain self-publicist, us Estate Owners are all thought to be as rich as she is.

p:Spamming like you envision it simply can't be done by new users, at least if they are not alt's of experienced users.
m: eh??? Someone advertises employment on SLX 100L$ for every av that responds to the calling card; all applicants receive a copy of the transferable card, they then transfer it by dropping it on passing avs. Then someone thinks very few respond to spam, I need to get a higher ratio out, so that adapt a notecard dispenser to dispense calling cards instead. Once calling cards are transferable you do not need to be an alt, and while they are not transferable not even an alt can do this. My alt cannot even give me my own card!

p:As with everything you receive (except L$), you still have the "discard" option, and of course the "mute" option which permanently gets rid of the problem.
m: I spend enough time clicking the discard button as it is, please do not make me do it even more. I cannot easily leave the targetted av, as it would cost me 100USD to transfer ownership of the estate. Muting only permanently gets rdi of the problem if the calling card is coming from the get rich quick expert, not if it is coming from those who sign up for the imaginary SLX advertiser. (BTW, SLX is wonderful its just an example)

p:However I think the legitimate use of my suggestions outweighs the - in my opinion rather remote - chance for abuse.
m: I can't see any great benefit that you have set out that outweighs the cost; interesting turn of phrase that the abuse is remote. Most of the IM spam I get is from people who have never (literally) been on my radar. Most spam is by remote, it is frustrating to delete the emails forwarded from IM and then keep clicking discard when I log in.

p:I made some compromise suggestions in my initial text that should lessen the impact a bit.
m: the possibility of denying is not a compromise, I offered a real one, retrieving a calling card from a Profile, if the resident authorises such retrieval. I don't want the impact lessened a bit, I want SL free of spammers (noobs or immature old hands).


Rhaorth Antonelli added a comment - 23/Jan/08 01:23 PM
I would not like to see the calling cards made transferable, that would just be asking for trouble.
Calling card giving is a personal thing.

I would personally like to see calling cards done away with, and the friends list have the ability to be sorted into folders

see my entry into the jira

Vote for expanded friends list at http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-890


Garn Conover added a comment - 22/Nov/08 06:49 AM
the problem with Calling cards is the lag they cause when they need to be updated constantly and they check every single inventory item looking for them, I say yeay for VWR-890 as the best possible solution