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Key: VWR-3172
Type: Bug Bug
Status: Reopened Reopened
Priority: Major Major
Assignee: Unassigned
Reporter: Dirk Talamasca
Votes: 19
Watchers: 5
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WindLight: Special overlays (including property lines and hilights for beacons) aren't visible in shader water

Created: 15/Nov/07 12:58 PM   Updated: 08/Jan/09 11:54 AM
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Component/s: Graphics
Affects Version/s: First Look: WindLight, 1.19.1 Release Candidate, 1.22 Release Candidate, 1.22 Public Nightly
Fix Version/s: First Look: WindLight

File Attachments: None
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1. in main viewer, property lines are visible through water.jpg
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2. property_lines_above.jpg
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3. property_lines_below.jpg
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4. Water Culling.png
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Environment:
Second Life 1.18.5 (73655) Nov 13 2007 12:47:32 (Second Life WindLight)

You are at 256151.0, 245579.8, 21.2 in Skathi located at sim2223.agni.lindenlab.com (64.129.40.227:13005)
Second Life Server 1.18.5.73200

CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4600+
Memory: 883 MB
OS Version: Linux 2.6.20.3 #7 SMP PREEMPT Mon Jun 11 23:07:05 CDT 2007 i686
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 7600 GT/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW!
OpenGL Version: 2.1.1 NVIDIA 100.14.19
LLMozLib Version: 1.1.0 (Mozilla GRE:1.8.0.12_0000000000)
Packets Lost: 76/148899 (0.1%)
Viewer Digest: 080951f6-5ad5-f40f-3cb7-e47e0e51b9ea
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Linden Lab Issue ID: DEV-7132


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Property lines not visible looking through Windlight water

Property lines are not visible looking through water in Windlight 1.18.5 (73655). That is, if the line is underwater, and the camera is above water (or vice versa), the line is not visible.

Other special overlays, such as highlights for beacons, are also hidden by shader water.

Terraform dots are not visible through the water either.

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Jacek Antonelli added a comment - 19/Nov/07 10:20 PM
Clarified summary and description, added my environment info, and added two snapshots of the same scene, one with the camera above water, and one below.

Jacek Antonelli made changes - 19/Nov/07 10:20 PM
Field Original Value New Value
Summary Property Lines Impossible To See In Many Instances Property lines not visible looking through Windlight water
Attachment property_lines_below.jpg [ 13051 ]
Attachment property_lines_above.jpg [ 13050 ]
Environment Second Life 1.18.5 (73655) Nov 13 2007 12:47:32 (Second Life WindLight)

You are at 256151.0, 245579.8, 21.2 in Skathi located at sim2223.agni.lindenlab.com (64.129.40.227:13005)
Second Life Server 1.18.5.73200

CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4600+
Memory: 883 MB
OS Version: Linux 2.6.20.3 #7 SMP PREEMPT Mon Jun 11 23:07:05 CDT 2007 i686
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 7600 GT/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW!
OpenGL Version: 2.1.1 NVIDIA 100.14.19
LLMozLib Version: 1.1.0 (Mozilla GRE:1.8.0.12_0000000000)
Packets Lost: 76/148899 (0.1%)
Viewer Digest: 080951f6-5ad5-f40f-3cb7-e47e0e51b9ea
Description Property line characteristics need to be changed to make them visible when the lines are underwater. Property lines are not visible looking through water in Windlight 1.18.5 (73655). That is, if the line is underwater, and the camera is above water (or vice versa), the line is not visible.
Jacek Antonelli made changes - 20/Nov/07 11:24 AM
Link This issue is related to by VWR-3347 [ VWR-3347 ]
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Torley Linden added a comment - 06/Dec/07 03:08 AM
Thanks for the report! Importing this for further investigation.

Torley Linden made changes - 06/Dec/07 03:13 AM
Attachment in main viewer, property lines are visible through water.jpg [ 13524 ]
Torley Linden made changes - 06/Dec/07 03:14 AM
Summary Property lines not visible looking through Windlight water WindLight: Property lines aren't visible in shader water
Description Property lines are not visible looking through water in Windlight 1.18.5 (73655). That is, if the line is underwater, and the camera is above water (or vice versa), the line is not visible. Property lines not visible looking through Windlight water

Property lines are not visible looking through water in Windlight 1.18.5 (73655). That is, if the line is underwater, and the camera is above water (or vice versa), the line is not visible.
lindenrobot made changes - 06/Dec/07 03:15 AM
Linden Lab Issue ID DEV-7132
Rob Linden made changes - 22/Dec/07 02:10 AM
Workflow jira [ 16767 ] jira-2007-12-21 [ 24554 ]
Rob Linden made changes - 22/Dec/07 02:20 AM
Workflow jira [ 24554 ] jira-2007-12-21 [ 25218 ]
Rob Linden made changes - 22/Dec/07 03:14 PM
Workflow jira-2007-12-21 [ 25218 ] jira-2007-12-22 [ 31458 ]
Rob Linden made changes - 22/Dec/07 03:35 PM
Workflow jira-2007-12-21 [ 31458 ] jira-2007-12-22 [ 33532 ]
Rob Linden made changes - 22/Dec/07 08:26 PM
Workflow jira-2007-12-22 [ 33532 ] jira-2007-12-22a [ 38660 ]
Rob Linden made changes - 22/Dec/07 08:50 PM
Workflow jira-2007-12-22 [ 38660 ] jira-2007-12-22a [ 40128 ]
Rob Linden made changes - 22/Dec/07 09:42 PM
Workflow jira-2007-12-22 [ 40128 ] jira-2007-12-22a [ 42618 ]
Rob Linden made changes - 22/Dec/07 10:05 PM
Workflow jira-2007-12-22 [ 42618 ] jira-2007-12-22a [ 43982 ]
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Kathy Morellet added a comment - 10/Jan/08 04:32 PM
Not a show stopper but it does make working with large water parcels very difficult.

Second Life 1.18.6 (76886) Jan 3 2008 17:26:44 (Second Life WindLight)

You are at 264413.6, 253911.8, 24.3 in Miniard located at sim3806.agni.lindenlab.com (64.129.47.63:13005)
Second Life Server 1.18.6.76747

CPU: Intel Core 2 Series Processor (1891 MHz)
Memory: 2048 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 8600 GT/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.1
LLMozLib Version: 1.1.0 (Mozilla GRE:1.8.0.12_0000000000)
Packets Lost: 847/53323 (1.6%)
Viewer Digest: 684b85c5-46de-231a-53b3-eefae69ad0ea


Torley Linden made changes - 17/Jan/08 01:47 PM
Assignee Runitai Linden [ Runitai Linden ]
Torley Linden made changes - 17/Jan/08 01:51 PM
Priority Normal [ 4 ] Major [ 3 ]
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Torley Linden added a comment - 06/Feb/08 05:27 AM
Thanx again for your reports and helping us to make progress! This bug is fixed in the newest WindLight version – Second Life 1.19.0 (79185). Download link and more info here:

» http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/02/05/new-windlight-viewer-79185-ati-talk/

Keep watching the Official Linden Blog and check out http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Windlight for continued WindLight updates!


Torley Linden made changes - 06/Feb/08 05:27 AM
Fix Version/s 1.19.0 Release Candidate [ 10251 ]
Status Open [ 1 ] Closed [ 6 ]
Resolution Fixed [ 1 ]
Torley Linden made changes - 06/Feb/08 05:28 AM
Resolution Fixed [ 1 ]
Status Closed [ 6 ] Reopened [ 4 ]
Torley Linden made changes - 06/Feb/08 05:28 AM
Status Reopened [ 4 ] Closed [ 6 ]
Fix Version/s First Look: WindLight [ 10080 ]
Fix Version/s 1.19.0 Release Candidate [ 10251 ]
Resolution Fixed [ 1 ]
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Argent Stonecutter added a comment - 09/Feb/08 06:45 PM
This has been resolved by making property lines show through EVERYTHING (see VWR-4580).

The real problem is that ban lines are alpha and alpha is hidden by shader water in Windlight.

Reopening with corrected subject.


Argent Stonecutter made changes - 09/Feb/08 06:45 PM
Resolution Fixed [ 1 ]
Status Closed [ 6 ] Reopened [ 4 ]
Argent Stonecutter made changes - 09/Feb/08 06:46 PM
Description Property lines not visible looking through Windlight water

Property lines are not visible looking through water in Windlight 1.18.5 (73655). That is, if the line is underwater, and the camera is above water (or vice versa), the line is not visible. 		Property lines not visible looking through Windlight water

Property lines are not visible looking through water in Windlight 1.18.5 (73655). That is, if the line is underwater, and the camera is above water (or vice versa), the line is not visible.

Other special alpha layers, such as hilights for beacons, are also hidden by shader water.
Summary WindLight: Property lines aren't visible in shader water WindLight: Special alpha textures (including property lines and hilights for beacons) aren't visible in shader water
Argent Stonecutter made changes - 09/Feb/08 06:47 PM
Link This issue is related to by VWR-4580 [ VWR-4580 ]
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Tayra Dagostino added a comment - 13/Feb/08 01:11 AM
"This has been resolved by making property lines show through EVERYTHING (see VWR-4580). "

This is a workaround, not a solution, it work fine, but i think viewer should show correctly parcel border highlight anyway...

still present in WindLight Viewer (79674)


Harleen Gretzky made changes - 13/Feb/08 05:19 AM
Link This issue is duplicated by VWR-4872 [ VWR-4872 ]
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Argent Stonecutter added a comment - 13/Feb/08 06:26 AM
Yes that's what I meant, I'm sorry if it wasn't clear that I thought this "resolution" probably needed to be reconsidered.

As indicated in VWR-4580, this is not 'fine'.


Harleen Gretzky made changes - 14/Feb/08 03:24 PM
Link This issue is duplicated by VWR-4939 [ VWR-4939 ]
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Torley Linden added a comment - 25/Feb/08 11:55 AM
We'll followup in VWR-4580.

Torley Linden made changes - 25/Feb/08 11:55 AM
Status Reopened [ 4 ] Closed [ 6 ]
Resolution Fixed [ 1 ]
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Argent Stonecutter added a comment - 29/Mar/08 12:51 PM - edited
This is not fixed, even in the latest RC. Property lines were changed in the rendering order so they show not only above shader water but above EVERYTHING, and other special layers are still not visible through shader water. If you turn on wireframe mode you can't even see your own avatar through the water until your camera also drops below the water level.

VWR-4580 does not address the same problem. This is NOT just about property lines, it's about ALL the special texture layers.


Argent Stonecutter made changes - 29/Mar/08 12:51 PM
Status Closed [ 6 ] Reopened [ 4 ]
Resolution Fixed [ 1 ]
Argent Stonecutter made changes - 29/Mar/08 12:53 PM
Affects Version/s 1.19.1 Release Candidate [ 10270 ]
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Argent Stonecutter added a comment - 01/Apr/08 11:58 PM - edited
See attachment (Water Culling.png). Even solid, non-transaprent prims can be culled through Windlight Water. You can see in the middle of the pool in te attachment is where a 10x10 prim is missing. The only way to see it is to go under water.

(I have no idea why the Gimp saved that file so big)


Argent Stonecutter made changes - 01/Apr/08 11:58 PM
Attachment Water Culling.png [ 15702 ]
Harleen Gretzky made changes - 02/Apr/08 03:50 PM
Link This issue is related to by VWR-5905 [ VWR-5905 ]
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Gigs Taggart added a comment - 03/Apr/08 04:22 PM
VWR-5905 Terraform dots disappear in water in windlight was marked duplicate of this. I'm not sure how accurate that is since terraform dots are a "special GL hack" that has nothing to do with alpha textures, but I'll amend the description to include this.

Gigs Taggart made changes - 03/Apr/08 04:23 PM
Description Property lines not visible looking through Windlight water

Property lines are not visible looking through water in Windlight 1.18.5 (73655). That is, if the line is underwater, and the camera is above water (or vice versa), the line is not visible.

Other special alpha layers, such as hilights for beacons, are also hidden by shader water. 		Property lines not visible looking through Windlight water

Property lines are not visible looking through water in Windlight 1.18.5 (73655). That is, if the line is underwater, and the camera is above water (or vice versa), the line is not visible.

Other special alpha layers, such as hilights for beacons, are also hidden by shader water.

Terraform dots are not visible through the water either.
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Argent Stonecutter added a comment - 03/Apr/08 04:40 PM
Updated from "alpha layers" to "overlays".

Argent Stonecutter made changes - 03/Apr/08 04:40 PM
Summary WindLight: Special alpha textures (including property lines and hilights for beacons) aren't visible in shader water WindLight: Special overlays (including property lines and hilights for beacons) aren't visible in shader water
Description Property lines not visible looking through Windlight water

Property lines are not visible looking through water in Windlight 1.18.5 (73655). That is, if the line is underwater, and the camera is above water (or vice versa), the line is not visible.

Other special alpha layers, such as hilights for beacons, are also hidden by shader water.

Terraform dots are not visible through the water either. 		Property lines not visible looking through Windlight water

Property lines are not visible looking through water in Windlight 1.18.5 (73655). That is, if the line is underwater, and the camera is above water (or vice versa), the line is not visible.

Other special overlays, such as hilights for beacons, are also hidden by shader water.

Terraform dots are not visible through the water either.
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Argent Stonecutter added a comment - 03/May/08 01:24 PM
In the latest RC we have the worst of both worlds... property lines show through objects, AND property lines are hidden by Windlight water! Oh, sure, they are sort of visible, but you have to hide water in Advanced->Rendering->Types to really see them reliably.

PLEASE undo the change to make property lines show through the Windlight water, and approach the problem that led to this multi-stage rendering from a different perspective. This is not solving the problem, and it's creating a new one.


Argent Stonecutter made changes - 08/May/08 05:35 PM
Link This issue is related to by VWR-7131 [ VWR-7131 ]
Ramzi Linden made changes - 12/May/08 08:44 AM
Assignee Runitai Linden [ Runitai Linden ]
Sue Linden made changes - 13/Nov/08 11:09 AM
Workflow jira-2007-12-22a [ 43982 ] jira-2008-11-14 [ 64907 ]
Sue Linden made changes - 13/Nov/08 11:31 AM
Workflow jira-2007-12-22a [ 64907 ] jira-2008-11-14 [ 73044 ]
Sue Linden made changes - 13/Nov/08 05:02 PM
Workflow jira-2008-11-14 [ 73044 ] jira-2008-11-14a [ 98079 ]
Sue Linden made changes - 13/Nov/08 05:18 PM
Workflow jira-2008-11-14 [ 98079 ] jira-2008-11-14a [ 103681 ]
Sue Linden made changes - 13/Nov/08 05:27 PM
Workflow jira-2008-11-14 [ 103681 ] jira-2008-11-14a [ 107504 ]
Sue Linden made changes - 13/Nov/08 05:43 PM
Workflow jira-2008-11-14 [ 107504 ] jira-2008-11-14a [ 112997 ]
Sue Linden made changes - 13/Nov/08 06:14 PM
Workflow jira-2008-11-14 [ 112997 ] jira-2008-11-14a [ 124027 ]
Sue Linden made changes - 13/Nov/08 06:41 PM
Workflow jira-2008-11-14 [ 124027 ] jira-2008-11-14a [ 134167 ]
Sue Linden made changes - 13/Nov/08 06:59 PM
Workflow jira-2008-11-14 [ 134167 ] jira-2008-11-14a [ 141438 ]
Alexa Linden made changes - 21/Dec/08 02:04 PM
Link This issue is related to by VWR-11071 [ VWR-11071 ]
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Dirk Talamasca added a comment - 08/Jan/09 11:54 AM
This issue remains persistent in all builds. Reproduction of the issue is simply to edit terrain in an area where water exists over a parcel border.

A workaround is to enter Preferences >Graphics and turn basic shaders off. However, this is not very efficient and can be frustrating for some residents. Some residents rely on the recommended settings so the basic shader tick box is not visible to them if they pull up graphic preferences, and it only becomes visible to them if they check the custom settings tick box. Checking the custom settings tick box opens up a whole new can of worms since it changes the configuration that the resident may have already become accustomed and comfortable with. They end up tweaking and messing with a whole bunch of sliders and radio buttons to get back to normal again. That's a lot of damn work and hassle just to edit a piece of land.

Since we probably don't want to make major changes to the water since it's so purdy and stuff and people like it, we should make an attempt to transition between shaders turning off and on when editing terrain. Alternately, a custom graphics setting could be implemented and added to the environments setting menu so that you could switch between a few settings of your own just as easily as you can switch from Noon to Midnight. This would be helpful not only in resolving the annoying problem of parcel borders disappearing but would be very useful when you transition from a wide open space where a high draw distance is preferable to the inside of a building where high draw distance is useless and taxes your system unnecessarily.


Dirk Talamasca made changes - 08/Jan/09 11:54 AM
Affects Version/s 1.22 Release Candidate [ 10400 ]
Affects Version/s 1.22 Public Nightly [ 10390 ]
Description Property lines not visible looking through Windlight water

Property lines are not visible looking through water in Windlight 1.18.5 (73655). That is, if the line is underwater, and the camera is above water (or vice versa), the line is not visible.

Other special overlays, such as hilights for beacons, are also hidden by shader water.

Terraform dots are not visible through the water either. 		Property lines not visible looking through Windlight water

Property lines are not visible looking through water in Windlight 1.18.5 (73655). That is, if the line is underwater, and the camera is above water (or vice versa), the line is not visible.

Other special overlays, such as highlights for beacons, are also hidden by shader water.

Terraform dots are not visible through the water either.

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