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Lyssa Varun added a comment - 15/Nov/07 06:01 AM
Definitely seeing this on my own avatar. Interestingly enough the skirts will show when in appearance mode but promptly disappear upon exit. Also, when the textures are still loading the skirt appears and then disappears when it is fully loaded.
I forgot to add that clearing network cache etc. appears to have no effect. Didn't see this behavior at all until Windlight viewer was installed.
CPU: Intel Pentium 4 (Unknown model) (3013 MHz) I can see the same behavior with the 1.18.4 release, the 1.18.5 release candidate and the latest Windlight viewer. Me too noticed it first after installing Windlight, but it happens in all viewers now.
CPU: AMD (Unknown model) (2511 MHz) I just had it with the Windlight: No skirt, except in appearance mode.
I re-logged with 1.18.4 (3) without changing my clothes, and the skirt is back. The I tried 1.18.5 (0) Nov 13 2007 10:25:05 (Second Life Release Candidate), and I wear the skirt. S it is only the windlight where I don't wear a skirt. I asked other people if they can see my skirt and they denied, but they did not have the windlight viewer running. If this would affect a mandatory viewer, I would classify it as a show-stopper. I also saw this problem propogate to the other releases, windlight, rc, normal viewers, on the same skirt.
Another item of note is that the skirt in question is modify and in edit appearance mode it doesn't show the texture box. I tried all three Avatar Rendering options in the graphics detail preferences, no effect. I tried editing skirt parameters and saving, length, poofy, etc., no effect. I tried changing color from white to the light grey from the palette and saved in normal viewer and after saving and closing appearance mode the skirt then didn't vanish. I entered edit appearance mode again and set the color back to white, saved and closed appearance mode and the skirt once again didn't vanish. Still in edit mode there is no texture selection box for this skirt. Confirmed also that other avatars can see the skirt now too. Oh, also, one of the no-modify skirts I have that's doing this is still showing only in appearance mode and of course I can't perform the steps listed above since it's no mod. Is this some sort of inventory corruption?
I am experiencing the same problem with WindLight. The skirt on my avatar just disappeared, and when I went to edit it, I couldn't see it any longer.
I was able to make a new skirt, but when I tried to alter it it disappeared as well. This is rather frustrating! Other avatars could not see me with a skirt on either. I was thankfully able to get back into the normal client and "re-bake" the texture, but this is frustrating! Fortunately, I was not wearing a "No Modify" skirt. I really like the look of Windlight, but not at the expense of my Avatar's skirts! A friend and I got the same outfit in different colors Saturday to wear to an event Sunday. We took pictures Sunday morning after relogging, then logged out. Later, I changed for a different event, then changed back for the event Sunday evening. On the way to the event I experienced the a TP crash, then after logging back in...
On my Windlight viewer I could see her skirt but not mine. She could however, see mine on her old viewer. Taking it off and putting it back on did not make it reappear to me unfortunately. I checked around and Mick Linden in QA noticed this bug too – I've edited this issue because it appears to originate in WindLight, but as noted, propagates to other viewers after the problem has already happened. Can anyone actually cause the system skirt to disappear in another version?
In any case, I'll ask for further info... I've had 2 customers complain that their skirt actually changed color from white to brown. The skirt is no mod, and it's actually 2 different skirts that were created completely separate from each other. There's no way that the customer could have done this themselves. I'm asking them to check their versions of the viewers.
I tried this, since I knew about this bug, in the current release candidate (not windlight):
Damn, my nice skirt!! This is a very nasty bug!! I set it to critical, because it is a loss of data.
The listed workaround works fine for skirts if you have permissions to modify them, but for those you do not have permissions to modify, I've found the following works just as well.
Go into edit appearance If you do it this way, the skirt tends to not disappear. On the other hand, every time I try to wear it without being in Editing Appearance mode, the skirt will vanish except for a funky little oval on my left leg. I hope this workaround helps someone. The bottom half of my men's coat disappeared today. It only fixed when i adjusted the flounciness up and down a few times. It still tends to disappear again after TPs. As stated, the fix only works on mod items, and it's very random as to when ot works or not. Most annoying as it ruins the outfit to only wear half a coat. Just glad I'm not a lady: I'd end up indecently exposed in my bloomers.
I tried recreating one of my mermaid tails (skirt)...and it stayed on for a while...until I had to TP to someone's business and got there half-naked! So embarrassing...
I tried returning to the old client, and now I have the problem there too...like ya'll have mentioned. The skirt is a vital part of my business. Nevermind the leopard undies...where is my skirt?
Just noticed an interesting effect. I had two skirts disappearing, one with mod permissions, one without. Using 1.18.5 RC1 viewer, I tried to use above workaround. It was sufficient to move the top skirt slider to 0 and back to 100 and then exit appearance mode, the skirt was visible again.
After that, I wore the no-mod skirt and it was visible too! Looks like fixing one skirt also fixed the other. Can anyone confirm this observation, or was it just a coincidence? If not it is a nice way for making no-mod skirts reappear. This happens with almost all of my skirts. I found them to reappear after rebaking textures (Cmd+Alt+R on a Mac). Though I can't really say if others can see them fine, I'm suspecting they can, because if not, at least my friends would have dropped a note or something about me looking a little undressed.
I have found that, sometimes but not always, rebaking my character 5 or 6 times has finally made my skirt appear. I have had the exact same issues with teleporting with a skirt to have it not appear on when I arrive at my destination. For me, going into appearance makes the skirt appear ONLY in appearance mode (not when I go out of this view). I have also found that trying to edit a skirt with mod. permissions makes the skirt disappear off of my body while in this mode.
Anyone with a copiable, transferrable skirt that went invisible, can you please send it to me inworld? Please put it in a folder titled "
One of the reasons I'm asking is because the repro (posted up above) isn't working for me in WindLight 1.18.5 (74642).
I've been seeing something similar happen to system eyes now except they go black and this effect also persists inside the other clients. Can't fix no mod versions that are corrupted like this but mod versions are corrected by changing lightness, saving, changing lightness back and saving again. Rebaking for this or the skirt issue has not worked for me under windows. I'll check for a copy/xfer skirt to send.
I got some skirts, thanks to those who sent them to me – but some of us Lindens couldn't repro this; I wonder if new instances happen under WindLight 1.18.5 (74965) or newer.
If you can still make system skirts invisible in the newest WindLight, please post your info here, and paste your system details from Help menu > About Second Life too. I'm still getting this practically every other time I login. Note the workaround seems to still work for me, though. If I remove the skirt, then go into Editing Appearance mode and equip it again, then when I close Editing Appearance it will usually become visible. I also tested all of my non-prim skirts and most of them seem to disappear after a second or two.
Second Life 1.18.5 (74965) Dec 4 2007 19:23:49 (Second Life WindLight) You are at 260698.0, 251809.2, 179.3 in Braunworth located at sim2777.agni.lindenlab.com (64.129.43.19:12035) CPU: Intel Pentium 4 (Unknown model) (3400 MHz) Maghnus: Are you still seeing this with the latest viewer? If so, I would love if you could send me one of the skirts.
I am still having issues with this as well. I will put on a skirt & within a min. it will become invisible. Haven't been able to wear a regular skirt at all in Windlight.
I posted a picture to add to it for you as well. If I put a skirt on it will disappear almost instantly. I can go into edit appearance & see it. As soon as I go out of this view it disappears again. Rebaking does nothing to help this issue. Thanks for the idea of putting it on in appearance mode. So far that has seemed to work to keep the skirt on (after testing a few times by teleporting) Still unable to repro. Anyone still getting this, PLEASE send me your system specs and graphics card driver numbers.
Thanks! Er rather, leave a comment of specs and drivers. Thanks!
Same problem here
I mainly dress in japanese way meaning haori and hakama(skirt like) because i mainly swordfighting and teaching sword fighting(sensei) in my samurai clan. the bug have started yesterday with all of my viewers. goin into appearance didnt solve the prob. Model Name: Power Mac G5 ATI Radeon X800 XT: Chipset Model: ATY,R420 If you're seeing this on all viewers, this is inventory loss related and not windlight related. Assigning to triage to be handled by our inventory loss folks.
The following clarification would also be appreciated:
If you see this problem on the main viewer, can you please also confirm whether you can REPRODUCE (make this problem happen using a previously-OK skirt) this problem in the main viewer? Or do the "missing skirts" just "carry over" to the main viewer AFTER this specifically happens in WindLight? (Which may be expected behavior, because of the way textures are "baked" onto your avatars.) I also suggest the following test: if you have a skirt go missing in WindLight, login to the main (NON-WindLight) viewer and go to Client menu (Ctrl-Alt-D on PC, Opt-Ctrl-D on Mac) > Character > Rebake Textures and see if that makes a difference. Give it some time for textures to rez (go from fuzzy to sharp) again. If it works, then yes, other avatars should also see your skirt reappear too. Please let us know. I'm not seeing this on the main viewer, only WindLight. It also doens't always happen. I can login to a spot and my skirt might look fine. If I relog, there's a good chance that it'll be missing on my avatar whne I'm done rezzing. These skirts stay in the inventory, but go invisible. I've confirmed they're also invisible to others. Changing skirts can also make the new one turn invisible, and if you change back, the original one that previously worked fine might become invisible. On a couple of skirts, I've noticed that a small ugly circular patch forms after the skirt goes invisible, like the texture's being loaded wrong or something (I dunno that much about how textures are loaded). I'm using ForceWare 84.21, and I know that's really old, but I've tried every driver above that and they all cause some major problems in most of my 3D applications. My Help > About stats havent' changed since the last time I've posted. Rebaking within WindLight doesn't help. Going into Edit Appearance, then removing and wearing the skirt seems to help, though it may still seemingly randomly turn invisible if you teleport somewhere.
As I mentioned at the start, I don't see this at all in the main viewer, just WindLight. I have just confirmed this by wearing every skirt I sent you fine folks, and they all look fine. I'm not sure if this is relevant, but the skirt I was wearing when I logged out on the main viewer was visible and stayed visible when I logged into WindLight. In fact, several were. Then after changing a few skirts and waiting for each to rez cleary, the problem started up again, but if I change back to the ones that worked, they still seem to be working. Anyway, I'm sorry for the long comment. I tried to make this as detailed and thoroguh as possible because I really don't know what information is particularly helpful. @Maghnus: Thanks for following up – if you think it's worth the time, I really recommend you upgrade your drivers and try again, the 7300 GS isn't that old and we reasonably can't assure compatibility on older drivers.
I know this issue has gotten a lot of votes + comments but it seems strangely difficult to reproduce, so those you having this problem, PLEASE read all previous comments to understand this issue's history better, and PLEASE BE SURE to post your system info. Go to Help menu > About Second Life and copy-and-paste it in here. As I reported previously, when it happens it's always a carry over from skirts worn in WindLight that turn invisible when fully rezzed then they are also thereafter invisible in the main and RC clients as well. I currently have only one nm/nt skirt that's stuck this way.
Rebaking textures under any of the three clients does not fix it. The only way I've found to fix it is to edit the item in appearance mode, change the color, save, change it back and save again. This of course does not work for no modify skirts which is why I have one that's stuck this way. I have been trying to get it to happen with other transferable skirts without any luck. Even after clearing cache it's odd because the skirt that does this appears when worn until it's fully rezzed then disappears but then also appears only in edit appearance mode in all viewers. This must've somehow been related to one of the other bugs that was resolved with the recent release (possibly explaining why it wasn't reproduceable) because I'm still using the same drivers, but suddenly with release Second Life 1.18.6 (75762) Dec 13 2007 16:08:39 (Second Life WindLight) all (yes ALL) of the skirts that would sometimes disappear now rez properly and stay rezzed. Had I to make a guess, I'l say it was probably related to VWR-3162 or
Can anyone else confirm this is no longer an issue, because I absolutely can't reproduce it with this new release. This one is back, with a vengeance; Now none of the described workarounds works anymore.
Bought the new Holiday Gowns from Blaze*, tried on the "sheer" version of one of them, and thought "Can't be, that would be too sheer..." @Yuukie: Please provide system info as I requested above. It's really important we be able to track down which graphics cards and setups are having this problem, because not all of them are.
I to am having the exact same problem and as yuukie has stated, for me its back with the same vengance. I was once able to fix it by editing appearance, but no longer! This happens both in windlight and the regular version of second life.(i do have both downloaded) My system specs are this:
Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition I've seen this before, and thought it was gone, but it's back. Texture rebake doesn't seem to help, but the work-around of putting the skirt on while in appearance mode does work, happily. It's a bit awkward to have one's skirt suddenly disappear while strolling with a gentleman ... Mom did say always wear nice underwear.
CPU: AMD Turion 64 (1.99 GHz) I apologize for saying I would post a picture when I did not. (Lost the picture somewhere in the vast sl picture archieve of my computer). I have been running into issues where I can go into appearance mode & put my skirt on but it doesn't work. It works most of the time but not always. I have also run into skirts sometimes staying on but 9 times out of 10 still disappearing (especially when teleporting. It will be on while teleporting & no longer be showing when reaching destination.). I have given into wearing pants for the most part until fixed.
Problem appears exactly as Mike Linden described in his repro. I've had some cases where it's invisible locally but visible to others, too. This affects males too since some suits use the skirt layer!
Still present in Second Life 1.18.6 (76453) I was having this problem on my T60 laptop (ATI x1300), in the different versions of Windlight. I was also experiencing crashing fairly frequently. I was running the latest ATI video driver, and had turned all the settings down, with no improvement. The last change I made was to install the Omega ATI driver. The skirt problem has been resolved, and I have not had a crash for hours, when before I could not make it past 15 minutes.
Again, those of you still seeing this, please be SURE to copy-and-paste your system info from Help menu > About Second Life like some of the above Residents have done and any other details that may be relevant to us chasing down this bug. Thanks.
My machines details are: ( Lenovo T60)
CPU: Intel Core 2 Series Processor (1994 MHz) Problem still exists for me. Skirts screwed up by Windlight remain transparent with main viewer, however I have not been able to ruin a previously working skirt with the main viewer alone.
System details: Second Life 1.18.6 (76453) Dec 29 2007 12:57:52 (Second Life WindLight) CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6400 @ 2.13GHz Getting this also...
Second Life 1.18.6 (76453) Dec 29 2007 15:02:25 (Second Life WindLight) CPU: AMD (Unknown model) (1994 MHz) Still happening, its rather frustrating.
Second Life 1.18.6 (77495) Jan 22 2008 15:30:40 (Second Life WindLight) CPU: AMD (Unknown model) (2004 MHz) Most of you may already know this. But this may help for a temp fix.
Open the Client menu (Ctrl-Alt-D, or Opt-Ctrl-D on a Mac) If you dont have it yet Ctrl-Alt-R Rebake Textures OR if you want to use the menu> (Client->Character->Rebake Textures). This is a temp fix I hope this helps, I use windlight to, and i have this issue from time to time. Hi. Rebaking does not fix. Thanks.
I hate to break this to you, Torley, but I've experienced it in not only Windlight (SecondLife_i686_1_18_6_77495_WINDLIGHT) but also the current (SecondLife_i686_1_18_5_3) and latest RC (SecondLife_i686_1_18_6_4_RELEASECANDIDATE) versions for Linux as recently as this past weekend.
Torley,
I sell a lot (about a thousand so far) of system-skirt based dresses. My customers report their skirts vanishing when they are using Windlight, but so far I have observed no pattern to which skirts vanish and which do not. I doubt that you will learn much by collecting skirts. This has been reported by less than one percent of customers. I have no idea what proportion of my customers are using Windlight, however, or how many are complaining to me about their problems. I have had customers come to my store with vanished skirts. I can then create a new skirt, hand it to them, and it vanishes too. In fact, while the bug persists, all skirts vanish (both for them and anyone looking at them). I have found no cure except to dump Windlight: rebaking, cache clearance, etc. have no effect. I'm sure you already have theories, but surely it must be that the avatar baking is at fault. The skirts vanish exactly when you'd expect to see the baked avatar textures replace the composited ones, and the skirts vanish for everyone looking at the affected avatar. Sorry if that's already obvious to you! Thanks for the continued reports – sucks that this is still a problem! This continues to be a hot issue, and Zen Linden will be talking with some of you in hopes of fixing this soon.
CPU: Genuine Intel(R) CPU T2250 @ 1.73GHz
Memory: 2026 MB OS Version: Linux 2.6.18.8-0.7-default #1 SMP Tue Oct 2 17:21:08 UTC 2007 i686 Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation Graphics Card: GeForce Go 7400/PCI/SSE2 OpenGL Version: 2.1.2 NVIDIA 169.09 LLMozLib Version: 1.1.0 (Mozilla GRE:1.8.0.12_0000000000) Packets Lost: 741/490577 (0.2%) Viewer Digest: 8f1ad430-9a09-74cb-8553-57c16532ac01 I don't log in very often any more, but I still encounter this bug (even if I said something else before).
I noticed that after the skirt disappeared, when I enter the appearance mode it is visible there and dissappears when I leave appearance mode (giving "appearance mode" a new meaning). I also observed that if I put on the skirt while I am in appearance mode, it is invisible there and appears when I leave the appearance mode! It is like swapping the visibility, depending on the mode you're in when you put it on. So I put on skirts in appearance mode. After that, they remain visible until I put them off. Maybe you should search for the bug in the "put the skirt on"-routine. (and then move it into the "put the pants on"-routine, a lot of guys seems to like to run around without pants anyway..) If this is happening to you, PLEASE IM me. If I'm around, I want to see this actually happen and esp. if I can get a copy and repro it myself.
I have this information from one of my customers, but I can't test it myself.
[0:50] [customer]: (Saved Thu Jan 31 00:05:09 2008) I figgured how to work-around the dress-in-windlight thing!!! Go into edit appearance mode, then take the skirt off and put it back on and wait until it disappears. Then exit appearance mode and viola! it will be on and visible! I mean voila! Determined to not be WL-specific, removed version.
It seems in the latest Windlight (the first 1.19 edition) rebaking textures fixes this, for me at least. I've also noticed it's a lot easier to fix the issue, though you still have to enter appearance editor and close it, then take off and re-wear, but you don't have to make changes to the item, save, then change them back and re-save again first.
cmd+opt+R (to rebake) has fixed it several times for me since the last update. Though after teleporting, the skirt layer disappears again in most cases. Hi Torley.
You write "Determined to not be WL-specific, removed version." This is big news and could affect my customer service. Could you explain how this was determined? Have you seen non-WindLight users with invisible skirts? Or is it just that you've logically eliminated the possibility by looking at the code? So far all my customers with this problem have been WindLight users and switching back to the standard viewer has always fixed it. I would like to know if I am advising them wrongly. Thank you! Torley Linden - 07/Feb/08 11:47 AM
Determined to not be WL-specific, removed version. This only has happened to me in Windlight. When switching from Windlight to the regular viewer it would happen once before logging out and relogging in the regular viewer. That would fix it. I have been using only the regular viewer to avoid the no skirts problem and i've not seen it once in the regular viewer alone. I have had this problem for months. I had it before I ever installed Windlight, and have had it with every update since. It does it with ALL my system skirts. It does it in the regular viewer and in Windlight. It doesn't matter how many times I edit a skirt, or go into appearance, or rebake ..it always does it. Put a skirt on, see it for about 2-3 seconds, then POOF. Some of my friends will see it on me, but some don't. I never do. I won't even wear an outfit with one cuz I never know who I'm flashing my bare butt to on the grid. Here is my info..
Second Life 1.19.0 (80044) Feb 15 2008 16:46:46 (Second Life WindLight) CPU: Intel Pentium 4 Northwood (2392 MHz) Please don't tell me my video card sucks. I know this already. But this should have nothing to do with a skirt not appearing. If it was the card, then none of my clothes would be appearing. lol As a workaround, I have found that the following "fix-it" steps are effective in restoring a skirt that is visible again.
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Lum_Pfohl/Troubleshooting#Disappearing_Clothing The idea is to change into a newbie avatar, complete with a shape change - such that you're wearing clothing that DO NOT disappear. You may have to have several tries at it. Once you're wearing an outfit that remains visible on your screen, clear your cache and relog. Then attempt to re-wear your "disappearing outfit," to see if your problem's gone away. this is happening to me as well in both the regular viewer and the release candidate. I put on a system skirt , and it disappears, until I hit "edit appearance" it shows up momentarily, until I hit "save" or close", and then the skirt is invisible again.
I mostly run WL Viewers & I have invisible skirts all the time. They stay invisible even when I make a new one, and even when I switch to Main Viewer. I'm not sure if I ever created one in the Main Viewer, but I think I did.
Second Life 1.19.1 (1) Mar 12 2008 10:58:16 (Second Life Release Candidate) Since this was not a rendering issue and was determined to not be introduced in windlight, I did not look exceedingly deeply into it. It appears to be due to the fact we use an unreliable communication protocol to update clothing and rebaking and occurs at times of high packet loss. Fixing this may take awhile. Presently, the majority of viewer devs are working on lowering the crash rate first, then hitting these bugs. I wish it had been an easy rendering bug. We will get to it in the coming weeks.
>occurs at times of high packet loss.
This doesn't sound right to me at all. I wonder if the other people seeing this could check their packet loss and see if it sounds right to them. I get disappearing skirts ALL the time and I almost never have any packet loss, ever. It occurs the minute I put a skirt on. It appears instantly when I go into Appearance mode, and disappears the minute I come out. I am definitely NOT coincidentally suddenly getting packet loss at precisely those times, every time. I am having exactly the same problem, and packet loss seems to me to have little to do with it
Just reproduced it right now: Second Life 1.19.0 (80977) Mar 12 2008 01:29:18 (Cool SL Viewer - Windlight) You are at 184367.5, 304600.1, 603.4 in Ashling located at sim4749.agni.lindenlab.com (63.210.159.145:12035) CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6400+ and again, with a different skirt, at
Second Life 1.19.0 (80977) Mar 12 2008 01:29:18 (Cool SL Viewer - Windlight) You are at 271573.2, 305066.4, 21.2 in BALSA Resorts located at sim5600.agni.lindenlab.com (8.2.34.156:12035) Packets Lost: 256/334329 (0.1%) I recently have this issue after buying a piece of clothing 2 weeks ago ( a toga - I don't normally wear skirts !).
From the comments here the common part seems to be the avatar. The problem displays the same symptoms on two machines I have ( details of the main one below), the symptoms are visible to others "in world" in addition to the subject. It's demonstrated on multiple versions and platforms. It occurs at any time whether the sim is busy or not. Certainly doesn't seem to be graphics related. I just managed to circumvent my problem using the technique of adding the skirt while in appearance. Didn't work the first time but did the second. After that all skirts, none of which displayed before, except for a second or two, now work. For what its worth, and I'm not an SL programmer, it seems to me like there is a bit in the Avatar object that determines if a piece of clothing should be displayed and this has got out of sync. Like some code just flips it when other code sets it. This would have to be in addition to whatever bit defines if something is "Worn" in the inventory. If the problem comes back I'll try and make a better note of the circumstances and see if it can be repoduced Many thanks ======================================================================================================================= CPU: Intel Pentium M Series Processor (1798 MHz) As windlight has now been added to the RC version of the client, I have started noticing this more and more. Usually the skirts load (eventually) but often they do not. I have had it happen with tails for my suit before and with a toga I recently wore. It seems to happen more with windlight as I never had this issue myself till windlight was added to RC.
I have had this problem for 2 days now and used the workaround mentioned in one of the comments. It has fixed the problem for me so far...for the last few minutes anyway.
1) Remove the (invisible) skirt via inventory "Take off" 2) Go into Appearance edit. 3) While in Appearance edit mouse-drag the skirt from inventory onto avatar. It remains visible. 4) Make a small change to enable the "save" button. 5) Close. The skirt remains visible on my avatar...on my system at least, and this fix has survived several relogs so far. Whoever found this workaround. Thanks, it makes SL usable for me until a real fix is found. yes, its been happening to me but only on the new viewer.
Also...the skirts i hav tried to fix, when i try to wear them now i get a message "item missing from database" 100% reproducable, and I will happily demonstrate it for any Linden that can help fix this.
Second Life 1.19.1 (4) Apr 2 2008 12:03:24 (Second Life Release) You are at 255051.8, 286238.3, 731.2 in Lost Gryphon Island located at sim5903.agni.lindenlab.com (8.2.35.205:12035) CPU: 4 x i386 (Unknown) (2660 MHz) I put on the "Black leather skirt" by HoseQueen McLean, and it instantly vanishes. Rebaking the character makes it appear again, but only for an indeterminate length of time. If I take it off and put it back on again, it vanishes again. 100% reproducible, in any sim, even in a lag-free 700 M skybox where I am the only avatar in the class 5 sim. The exact same skirt works FINE for my main avatar, though she is having intermittent issues with other skirts that are harder to reproduce. This definitely looks like an asset corruption issue, and it became most frustratingly apparent with the last two client releases (the one that mainstreamed Windlight, and the one before that. My inventory also has lost the ability to rez one tail, one prim skirt, and two kimono obi's. These four items user to work fine, and now I can neither attach them nor rez them on the ground. Copying them does not result in a functional one either. I'm not on very much right now, because I can't wear most of my clothes! If a Linden wants to work with me on this, contact Ceera Murakami. She can get a message to me easily. I need to add my voice to this. For me it only happened after installing the latest viewer. Now I darent wear skirts to tp or 'replace outfit' in public. Seriously no fun. If this doesnt get fixed pronto I'll be buying no more outfits in SL and any other spend ideas I may have had go belly up too. and I'll be spreading the word... stop spending!
Please allow me to add my two cents
As a manager of a fashion store that sells only bridals, formal, costume and casual dresses, this bug really can cause some headaches. Now, we have replicated the problem - most of the time. We have a test laptop running Intel 935/940 graphics chipset, on Windows XP Professional platform. Using production (not RC) client. We have cleared the cache, uninstalled the client, restarted PC, reinstalled client. Removed all relevent folders during the process in Program Files and Application Data, etc. Same symptom. Two avatars. Logging in using same laptop. Wearing same outfit. One will have the skirt showing, the other one will have the invis skirt bug. Most frustrating This started for me the afternoon (SLT) of April 7. Existing skirts with textures would not show up when worn straight from inventory. Going into appearance, and creating a new skirt would allow it to show until one of the sliders in appearance
This started happening to me this morning. Very embarressing. This is on the newest veiwer and to top it off some of my skirts went missing as well. Of course this could be my fault since I don't even have a gfx card. (The motherboard is running it using pure grunt.)
I've tried rebaking, I've tried clearing the cache. I'm installing a grunty card this w/end. We'll see if that solves the issue but I'm guessing from the other comments it seems to be either some sort of inventory corruption or server side issue. Until then no access for me to non adult sections as I'm a bit, er, naked. Torley, if you're ever online the same time as me feel free to drop an IM and I can show you what's happening. I feel so terribly girlie posting this.... I mostly work in SL, but have a weakness for gowns.... i went to go to a "work" thing and tried on every gown in my inventory to find not a single skirt appearing.... finally got to the last one on the list and !!!! SKIRT!! put it on, teleported, and arrived in my undies..... sigh
Same thing,, it shows in edit mode, but not any other time.... I've tried the tricks above with no luck and appreciate any attention this can get I think I might have a solution.
This worked for me 100% of the time. Steps are as follows. 1. Wear skirt. 2. Goto Advanced Menu>Character>Rebake textures. Wait. For me 50% of the time the front half of the skirt would appear. 3 Rebake again. Wait. Again. 50% of the time the back half would reappear. Eventually with a max of four rebakes the skirt would reappear. Thanks to Chantelle Negulesco for her patience in watching me do this to 20 skirts Is the development team working on this issue? Just curious - not sure if the dev team has replicated the problem, pinpointed the possible culprits, and are looking for a solution.
Yes, I know that this is a not game crashing issue - but it does hinder a lot of commerce within the game. This problem is even worse in the 1.20rrc
This is happening to me too. Happened for the first time yesterday 10th March, though this is the first time I have worn a system skirt layer since upgrading to 1.19.1 (4). I have reproduced the repro from Mick Linden and also used the rebake work around suggested by Kit Lacy above, both work after several tries. This is still an issue because everytime I change to a different skirt I have to start all over again. PLUS going back to a previously fixed skirt results in the same invisibility. FYI here are my system details:
You are at 253458.1, 319403.6, 402.3 in Plush Rho located at sim953.agni.lindenlab.com (8.4.129.103:12035) CPU: Intel Pentium 4 Northwood (2411 MHz) I have the same problem with my skirts. They dont reez or they are transparent or just a belt around my waist. When i go on appearance i can see it normal, but when i quit it the skirt switch back.
FYI here are my system details: Second Life 1.19.1 (4) Apr 2 2008 11:59:37 (Second Life Release) You are at 286488.3, 280785.5, 123.7 in Blacksticks located at sim5428.agni.lindenlab.com (8.2.33.175:13004) CPU: Intel Core 2 Series Processor (1600 MHz) CPU: Intel Core 2 Series Processor (2135 MHz)
Memory: 2048 MB OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2 (Build 2600) Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation Graphics Card: GeForce 8600 GTS/PCI/SSE2 OpenGL Version: 2.1.1 LLMozLib Version: [LLMediaImplLLMozLib] - 2.01.14161 (Mozilla GRE version 1.8.1.13_0000000000) From an Linden's office hour yesterday - the 4 hours long one - Zen Linden claimed that the missing skirt is due to packet loss issue on the network and not much they can do. Strange thing is this has happened to me while on laptop with wireless and laptop on land line. And same machine, same wireless network connection - i can log in and see everything fine but when my friend logs in, she has issues. Then I log in again - everything's fine. She tried again - problem again.
Somehow I don't think it's network issue. Didn't see this problem untill installing the 1.20rc.
I would just like to comment, as a male, that the only issue I have with this issue is that it's hard to reproduce, especially on other avatars.
 I was reading the transcript from Pastrami's recent office hours and I believe it was BigPapi Linden who indicated that this is a user side networking issue; basically, high packet loss equals invisible skirts. I'm wondering though, if this is the case, why did it only begin with the Windlight releases and why isn't affecting other clothing and textures? It seems unlikely that user network issues would target just skirts in this manner.
You closed my ticket as resolved and send me a mail that you have a solution for my problem. Then you told me to post my problem here and that this bug is known as such.
Should this be the solution? I posted it here already and its no solution for me that its a known bug. Happened to me yesterday sighs could see it in appearance mode but not any other time
CPU: Intel Pentium 4 (Unknown model) (2799 MHz) I too have this problem, which only started when I downloaded the most recent Windlight viewer 1.20.0 (84432)
No non prim skirt will show and some show as tops. Also some non prim trousers show as skins? Yesterday my skirt didnt show, but showed a reflection of the tag my partner was wearing. I have tried the above solutions, but they only work if the skirt is editable. I have a large number of skirt outfits in my inventory, so this is absolutely annoying to say the least. It is only skirts, no other clothing items are affected by the invisible bug! System is Also, the viewer is very 'bouncy' and freezes on a regular basis. All damned irritating, is there a fix on the way please???? All my skirts, new and old, appear transparent with what appears to be writing from local chat. Everything was fine until I downloaded the version 1.19.1 (4). Graphics card was updated before sl download. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
CPU: AMD (Unknown model) (1894 MHz) Having the same problem here. Along with all of the other ladies in my Geisha school SIM. We cannot get our non prim kimono skirts to rezz properly. They either rezz semi-transparent or not at all. They also tend to become mini-skirts.
Update: 6/15/08: sighs Geisha should not wear mini skirts by the way... LOL It's not very traditional. I've got about 30+ SL "kimono" that I cannot wear because they have system skirts. It's such a shame to see my poor avatar stuck wearing the same things over and over again, but I dare not charge any Lindens and buy anything new until this issue is resolved. Come on Lindens - this is not a packet loss issue - it appeared with Windlight. Given there are so many other problems with Windlight can we please have an alternate non-Windlight build so we can go around decently dressed.
the issue i am having seems to be an inventory issue. the error message is "unable to create object. obect is missing from database". The fixes above dont seem to work for this issue. I paid a lot for this outfit and would like to have it fixed
Well. I have recieved the " solutions". It seems to work, but i think that Linden Lab must work on this issue as soon as possible.
We are the paying members, for membership and "our"land. Beside this I am not so happy with SL the last couple of weeks. To many problems. They must test the new stuff very carefully before implant. And Linden must realize that second life for many people is a second life. When they can not log in its as you are standing at RL for your font door without keys. I lost a lot of members the last weeks. Its everyday something else. "REPRO from Mick Linden (try this in WindLight): This issue occurs with many existing system skirts, although does not seem to affect new skirts created in inventory. "
!!! This is not the case. The skirts I'm seeing it on are one's i've just created as well as old ones. !!! Thanks, I too am having this skirt transparency issue, starting with RC 1.20. Nothing had changed with my system or drivers previous to this client.
CPU: Intel Pentium 4 (Unknown model) (3400 MHz) When i wear one of this invisible skirts and go to appereance and save it as a copie, i can wear the skirt normal. But when i tp or put the skirt off and on again its gone... invisible. If i want to make a new copy of this skirt it dont work again.
Rebake dont work either. I have only 2 skirts which works right. All new clothes i get, dont work. Thats really not funny anymore. I met a girl who said she have two accounts and with one account she have the skirt problem and with the other account not... the same system, but not the same problem! Second Life 1.20.1 (84760) Apr 15 2008 12:14:46 (Second Life Release Candidate)
You are at 258591.1, 232928.4, 4000.0 in Piserchia located at sim3530.agni.lindenlab.com (216.82.22.11:13006) CPU: 4 x i386 (Unknown) (2660 MHz) I ran into this problem the first time a couple days ago and I have talked to several people since then with the same problem. I read through this thread last night and then did some tests this morning. Using the latest release candidate I put on the skirt I had problems with before and it rezzed fine. As I went into appearance it vanished momentarily then reappeared. However, it vanished again as soon as I tried to adjust any of the skirt settings. So things have improved but there is still a problem. I then tried with the production viewer (Second Life 1.19.1 (4) Apr 2 2008 12:03:24 (Second Life Release)). I had no problems at all with the same skirt, even when making adjustments in appearance mode. I didn't think to check packet loss when I was having this problem several days ago but the packet loss shown in my system info above is typical for me. That was taken a few minutes after the skirt vanished while adjusting in appearance mode. ATTENTION LINDENS...THE SKIRT VANISHED AND IT SHOWS 0 PACKETS LOST. I also noticed a comment here about attachments and other objects failing to rez with no error message. I am not sure if this is related or not but I recently started a thread on that issue - SVC-2129 Just ran into another invisible skirt. No Mod. It went invisible as soon as it fully rezzed. So I used the work around I read here. Took the skirt off - went to appearance - put the skirt on. That seems to have permanently fixed the skirt. Again...here is my packet loss a few minutes after this - Packets Lost: 1/128131 (0.0%). That one packet was lost when I first logged in. So there was no packet loss in this incident at all. Zero, silch, zip, nada, none!
Edit: Oops...spoke too soon...the fix wasn't permanent. Next time I logged in the skirt was invisible again I'm having the same issue with system skirts that I have created. The texture is loading and the skirt appears grey then as soon as the texture loads the skirt disappears. I have set the skirt to no mod.....will try with mod skirt to see if I can repoduce this in other viewers as well.
Seeing this problem in 1.19.1.4. Updating affected version.
I would add that (contrary to Mick Linden's observation) this does indeed happen with new skirts created in inventory. I can make a plain black skirt, shorten the length, save, come out of appearance mode. Result: the skirt turns semi-transparent and is full length.
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 I have had more than a dozen customers contact me with this problem. I have tried on different designers skirts and the same result occurs. The 'fix' that is described by Mike Linden above does nothing to create the skirt in its true form. As Pansy Peccable explains above, the skirt turns semi-transparent. I do not see this issue being addressed in the blog for the restarts, wondering when it will be addressed since this is a system skirt error.
I am having the skirting issue problems Today!!!! Please fix this. I have have this problem off and on since 2006. In that time I have upgraded my computer three times.
CPU: AMD (Unknown model) (2109 MHz) I have posted pictures above. This skirt disappears once I am out of edit mode.
Once I am out of edit mode
I was on for quite a while yesterday working with outfits and I ran into this with nearly every system skirt I put on. Shortly before I logged out I happened to look at my packet loss. Over 1.5 million packets - 79 lost.
this bug started for my main membership avatar about three weeks ago..
My alt also has the same issue. the bug manifests itself in the following way. 1. All skirts in the inventory behave the same way. 2. Skirts can be made to re-appear temporarily by putting the avatar into "appearance" 3. I restored an alt account recently and the first time it wore a skirt the skirt was visible . there appears to be 2 circumstances in which a skirt may be visiblt 1 In Appearance Hello!
Same problem with system skirts. This effects all version from the 1.20.x branch. Second Life 1.20.2 (85278) Apr 18 2008 15:48:33 (Second Life Release Candidate) Sie befinden sich in 267494.5, 271611.7, 24.8 in Berkman located at sim64.agni.lindenlab.com (64.154.220.31:13005) CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2600+ Hope u can fix it fast.
After switching back, I have this Prob also with some skirts in the Version 1.9.14.1 I am currently getting about 1 report of this issue every other day on average because I design Men's and Women's Clothing.
I use "Skirts" as a "Jacket Base" on Sport Coats ect. And use regular SL Skirts on many of my Women's Fashions. I'm very glad that this has been escalated to critical status, Because it seems the problem is being reported more frequently. My resolution most of the time is to create a brand new texture with much lower quality resolution on it... Sometimes, This doesn't make a difference. The Skirts will show up for a few seconds... Then Vanish as listed above in this Thread. I almost "Always" use an Alpha Channel in all of my designs. "Alpha Channels" are used to cut out pieces of texture in order to show through the layer below or make parts of the design "Invisible" This is used in Custom Skirt Slits, Lace and Open Jacket or Shirts. Could this have something to do with the way the SL viewer is trying to render the Texture with an Alpha Channel? Is it just making the entire skirt invisible because of a rendering problem? Does anyone know if they are having this problem with a Standard Non .TGA Texture? LIke a .Jpg? If you go to any texture on a prim and drop it to repeats of Zero on the texture tab using an alpha channel texture... That Prim will disappear sometimes. Before the disappearing skirt phenomenon first occurred on my personal planet, I noticed that many skirts were transparent when they shouldn't be, to the point that makers often include "glitch pants" with skirts.
Could this be related to the current problem? Someone told me to try to solve the problem with download this viewer http://nicholaz-beresford.blogspot.com/2008/04/release-eye-candy-ec-e.html
 I have done this cause i hope to find a solution for this skirt problem. After this i wear a skirt and it dont reez normal but its not transparent anymore... now i can see the right texture. Not a solution but maybe a step on the right way. This is how the skirt looks now: [IMG]http://up.picr.de/925058.jpg[/IMG] Stones Beaumont - 19/Apr/08 07:34 AM
... Could this have something to do with the way the SL viewer is trying to render the Texture with an Alpha Channel? Is it just making the entire skirt invisible because of a rendering problem? Does anyone know if they are having this problem with a Standard Non .TGA Texture? LIke a .Jpg? No. As I reported above, it happens with plain, newly created skirts with no texture at all! So it is not alpha channel corruption related. Here's a question... I've tried working with this issue for a few NEW users - like, less than 3 month old users - who can't seem to get away with this problem, not just with skirts, but with shirts as well.
Most of the older users (year+) I know don't have this problem. Could someone see if this is an issue more with age of account? Perhaps a corruption in data cluster for newer accounts? (Damned if I know how all that works, but hey, just tossing that out there...) I never had this problem until last night. I got the latest update, installed it and when i logged in there it was.
To see if it was account based, i logged in on a brand new account, same problem. With one skirt though it suddenly apeared after 2 tries, but only on my own screen, my friend who was with me still didnt see it. My original account is just over a year, the newly created one just over a week. There has been no PC software or driver updates or changes other than the new SL update. I'm getting the above problems. But nothing, and I do mean NOTHIGN anybody suggests, none of the work arounds, NOTHING works to fix it.
It just gets worse and worse and worse. And after a WEEK of trying to get help, and trying to get it fixed, I give up. Unless SOMEONE can fix this, I'm not going to even bother with SL. I'm sorry but a bug that bad that totally undermines the entire POINT of my character (I play a crossdresser who prefers skirts okay? SKIRTS. I'm not being forced to wear jeans the whole time in world.), ruins the point, and ALL the fun I was having in the game. It's just not worth my time, or my sanity, to play a game that's broken. [edit]: Right, after a sleep, and one LAST try at this thing, I found a solution that worked perfectly for me. Go get the pre windlight build of SL. Then download the Nicholaz edition Bleeding Edge viewer. Run it, and rebake the textures, then change your outfits. Use that instead. You add Windlight, and it IMMEDIATELY breaks your skirts again. You have to suffer with a worse framerate, and some dodgy physics, but at least it bloody works. I'm going to be sticking with this client until Linden fix Windlight. I have this issue and its broken most of my favourite outfits FIX IT PLEASE. urgh.
I have a new twist on the invisible system skirt problem - mine are now showing up as text in the correct colour... look like some accounts
Sorry this won't be anything new, just another confirmation of the problem. For me, this started happening at the infamous 1.19.1 upgrade that created all the furor a few weeks ago. (Perhaps that's significant.) I've upgraded all the drivers, tweaked the graphics, rebaked the textures an all that. Note that this ALSO happens, exactly the same way on a laptop with much more basic graphics (but still 2GB of RAM); it also started happening at that same software upgrade.
I think, like everyone else, this applies only to texture skirts; other clothing and any attachments (including attached skirts) are fine. This is making my modeling job really tough! Second Life 1.19.1 (4) Apr 2 2008 11:59:37 (Second Life Release) I solved it!!!!
A friend told me to upload this viewer http://viewer.onrez.com/ I am happy that i have my skirts back! I don't think this is video card or system related. I didn't have the problem at all, while using the WindLight First Look clients, or the 1.19.1.4 released client.
The problem started happening to me last night while using the 1.20.2 Release Candidate viewer, and it now happens when using 1.19.1.4 as well. I think something in the viewer is interacting with something server-side. WinXP Pro, AMD Athlon 4400+, 2 GB RAM, EGA Nvidia 8800GTS 320, latest RC, latest main viewer with Nicholaz EC-e patch. Latest released video drivers (1.169?) and QuickTime, .NET Framework 1, 2, 3, latest Windows updates. I don't have a lot of technical background but what I do know is that I work really hard all week and yesterday evening I came home to sit down to a great night of SL had lots of invites several things to do and was ready went to get dressed and blam no skirts for most of my outfits.I play SL for relaxation from a hard days work and this is quite disappointing and frustrating for me especially when I spend the money I do on clothes.I got into this game searching for fashion games clothes are my passion and its not very relaxing for me when I'm stressing about an issue like this and I cant get to an event.The work arounds are great advice I will try them but for the money I spend I should not have to do this.I want to dress my av and go dancing chatting and flirting thats what I play for.I am going to search some other games of this type I really want to play SL but there are so many issues and this one is a real pain and apparantly been one for awhile.It must be fixable why isn't it fixed hire extra people to work on this specific problem.Anyway obviously I have the vanishing skirt problem as well.TY for letting me vent now do something about it please
I now am seeing this problem on skirts that have been newly added to my inventory. Outfit was purchased on 4/25/08 and I'm using the 1.20.4 RC viewer. The above mentioned fixes of editing the skirt (not mod, in this case) or editing appearance have no effect. The skirt does show if I am editing my appearance, but after I save and close it out, the skiret disappears again.
Second Life Server 1.21.0.85745 CPU: Intel Core 2 Series Processor (2666 MHz) I have same issue, on skirts I have made and or purchased. Mine are mod, the others not... It doesn't matter.. I can not wear a skirt in the RC..
Whats bad about this is the people who make and sell the skirts are getting bad reviews or whatever, people complaining it our fault.. No.. You can explain to some but others.. NEway.. CPU: Intel Core 2 Series Processor (2327 MHz) So far I have not seen this issue, but then I'm either using 1.18.5.3 or the OnRez viewer (also 1.18.5.3).
Question is, when I'm out and about and looking sharp to myself, am I actually walking around butt naked to all those with a Windlimp viewer? Second Life 1.18.5 (3) Nov 28 2007 14:11:29 (cats) CPU: PowerPC 970 (1899 MHz) I have only just started with this issue.
But i found as previously mentioned: 1.Go into Edit Appearance. 2.Drag the skirt from your INV onto your AV 3.Try make a small change in edit to get the SAVE tab. 4.Save and close This has worked for me every time. My only problem now is clothing saying missing from DATABASE. I have now lost alot of outfits. After almost 2 years on here It has now cost me L$ thousands. I made this video of the issue here:
http://www.wegame.com/watch/Skirt_Bug/ As you can see the skirt only becomes visible in edit appearance mode. My Specs: CPU: Intel Core 2 Series Processor (2399 MHz) Here are a couple possible workarounds for this issue, which also affects men's jackets. (Thanks you Wyn Nitely and Jessie Gervasi for the tips!)
Method #1: Edit appearance, choose "Skirt" and then click on the "Color/Tint" box (it should be white). A window will open and you can choose a different color... click on the little black box in one of the rows of colors at the bottom and click "Select. Then repeat this step, changing the color back to white. Then click "Save." This should fix it, although if it doesn't, try taking the skirt off and putting it back on. I've also heard that modifying the length of the skirt and then putting it back to the original setting works sometimes. And I have heard that sometimes, you need to try doing this a few times for it to "take." Method #2: Teleport to a different sim from where you first put on the skirt, the first time you noticed the problem. Then rebake your textures (ctrl-alt-R). Then edit appearance, and come out of it. This has helped some people also. Please note in these two images (Skirt_Problem_00[12].bmp.jpg) that the floating spots just over the rear of the AV are not prims, but seem to be part of the full skirt that only appears when the AV is in Edit Appearance mode (the second screenshot. What this means - not really certain. Could a mask for another layer be being inappropriately used?
Second Life 1.20.4 (85828) Apr 24 2008 14:58:12 (Second Life Release Candidate) You are at 285777.0, 266461.7, 651.9 in Xtoh located at sim2428.agni.lindenlab.com (216.82.17.179:13002) CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6000+ The same issue is appearing for me, please find my system information below:
CPU: AMD (Unknown model) (1627 MHz) I think I found a work around...
When that happens, take off the skirt, go into Edit Apparence mode, wear the skirt, play with the camera controls, and close the Edit Appearance mode. Seems to work every time for me. Given some of the work-arounds, is it possible there's a bug in the LOD calculation for skirts?
I wanted to add this comment to echo one I read further up- this happens in circumstances when my stats window thing reports ping under 200 and 0.0% packet loss. I just use the RC client. I can post computer details if needed, but it happens on both my Windows and my Mac laptops.
This appears to be a known bug in the Windlight viewer(s) and released anyway, based on the dates of the orignal issue reports.
I have fixed all of my affected skirts by using the Nicholaz viewer Be-V which is based on old SL Viewer 1.18.5.3. Wear the skirt, go into Edit Appearance mode, exit Edit Appearance. It may be necessary to do this a couple of times. Then stop using Windlight. Looks like a good workaround, Pansy, but there's one problem. The Nicholaz viewer is Windows specific, which means I can't run it under Linux (there's no way in hell I'm running something as resource intensive as SL under Wine when there's a native viewer, bugs or no bugs), and I suspect the Mac users are as out of luck as Linux users are.
I'm really surprised this wasn't a blocker for Windlight, and it seems odd that they still can't get the damned thing fixed yet. ??? Theres a Nicholaz viewer for Mac, Nanci, or was.
Anyway, can I just add my own request that thi ghastly bug be fixed soon? Going into and out of appearance doesnt work for me, Pansy And the bug is there in the regular viewer as well as the development viewer Good to hear, Christi. I wasn't aware there had been a Mac version of the Nicholaz. I do know that there was a third-party port of the Nicholaz viewer to Linux a while back but it rather quickly got obsoleted and I hadn't seen new Linux versions available. As a Linux user that's the one I'm more concerned about.
But you're right, we need to get this thing fixed pronto, if not sooner. I never saw this problem happen at all... until i tried the latest version of the RC
Second Life 1.20.4 (85828) Apr 24 2008 14:57:39 (Second Life Release Candidate) since i started using this, all my dresses go invisible... sometimes rebaking a few times and taking it on and off will fix it, sometimes not. This isn't a bug we can work around client side, as even if we see out own skirts, other people will not see them.. and thats very embarrassing. This problem never happened running the nromal release, until i ran the RC the first time and noticed it, i went back to the normal release (Second Life 1.19.1 (4) Apr 2 2008 12:03:24 (Second Life Release)) and it is now happening over there. My computer: is an original Macbook Pro, running OSX 10.5.2 with all updates. ok here is an odd thing...
I removed my ~/Library/Application Support/SecondLife folder, and ran the release version of SL again. The dress i was wearing upon log out and log in was still invisible. Every other dress (i have many) i put on after that came on just fine without going invisible. One time into change appearance and back out with the invis dress back on and now it works fine. All of them are currently drawing fine on my computer. I quit the release and went back to running RC4. The dress i had left on at log out, was showing fine upon re-logging back in. I tried to change dresses to same as i just ran in the Release, and most all of them worked right away. One of them flashed invisible for a second, but a second later reappeared and worked fine. The rest all went on and i could see them. Ddint matter of i switched dresses, or took one off and put the other one on. I then teleported to a new place, and the skirt i was wearing during the teleport promptly vanished after i landed. I switched skirts around a few more times and then only about three quarters of the skirts worked, many were invisible, ones that had just worked before i teleported... I then switched to another set of dresses, an d not a single one stayed on. Sometimes switching between them for a second I saw the old one flash up and the new one flash up, then invisible again. This whole time i never registered any packet loss. I switched back to the release version of SL. Some of the skirts that were invisible in the RC were still invisible, but they were all fixed with a rebake. In the release version, as long as i havent used the dress in the RC, it seems to be fine. Whatever is causing this bug has somehow gotten worse with the RC is all I can think of. As long as i stay away from the RC its not effecting me.... though somehow the RC stuff bleeds into the release version. maybe the common cache folder? With the new RC (5), this has gotten worse. Before, switching to appearance mode and then wearing the skirt worked fine, but now it doesn't.
I was aware of this bug, but I had not seen it happen on myself, however since using RC5 a number of overcoat bottom's (skirts) are now affected.
An answer (not the be all and end all solution that defines and addresses the cause - but a solution for the immediate problem at hand)! Woot, Torley's video tutorial on rebaking texures has saved the day (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKRnn9grSEY
). Yay Torley. The man is an absolute champion.
I can wear skirts and dresses again no problem. Sometimes I have to try rebake a few times before the skirt appears again but I have teleported without losing the 'fix' since doing this - and logged out and back in. Some skirts need a rebake again when I take them off and put them back on but most are fine once I've got them working again. Prior to this I tried clearing cache, editing/resaving skirts in appearance mode, totally removing SL and reinstalling... banging my head against the table... I'm deliriously happy to have my skirts and dresses back again. 7 May 2008 update- Doh! teleported the other night and ended up bearing my knickers to the world (well, part of it anyway - fortunately there were not many people around). Still a quick rebake and whisking the skirt off and back on helped so it should be noted that while the above is a solution - it's not a permanent one and it'd be nice if these incidents didn't happen. Still I"m quite happy there is a work around and am happily wearing skirts and dresses again. I have this issue with several skirts. For NOW the fix has been to go into edit appearance mode and then put on my skirt. When I close, then it is visible. I hope this is fixed soon!
Hey everyone! I rebaked my textures several times and then somehow it worked. Although might have worked since my graphics card is a higher on on my new computer, but give it a try (several) to see if it works.
Adia This is not a problem I have had at all, yet I was directed to this thread for the issue I am having, which deals with prim based items as I have seen one other poster comment on. Both myself and my wife have certain pieces of inventory, and with her it is a growing number of them, that will not rez either on our avatars or in-world. These are all prim attachments, including prim skirts, prim hair, and other accessories. They are from various designers and purchased at various times. These items show in inventory, but do not show worn when we try to put them on. This seems to have been occuring ever since the 1.19.1.4 Viewer release. This is not a case of them being invisible, you can not drag and drop them to the ground either, it is like the inventory system is not recognizing these items. We have cleared cache, and uninstalled SL, and all the other clicky-rituals that have been suggested. This is happening in more than one account and on different PCs with different statistics, even to the point of the exact same problem occurs in each account regardless of which computer is being used by the account. Any help would be greatly appreciated, as would Support reading my actual problem instead of just seeing "skirt problem" and directing me to a thread that does not deal with my issue at all....
Coraima Benelli
Yes i know there are much other problems to be deal with but will this ever gonna be resolved??????? 80% of my stuff is useless now i spent money on them, they are not freebies!!! and don't think that this is pc problem... getting pretty desperate and frustrated how can i shop anymore if i know that this is in vain, i buy and after i cant use because some bug that is not fixed or even taken in consideration to be fixed, i have lost of inventory ok i try to accept and go further but when is there and i cant use'it is even more frustrating rebaking, clearing cache reloging nothing helps, and more funny thing if i try to modify the dress a bit in editing appearance then disappears complitly it does not even appears anymore in the edit window. frustrating frustrating frustrating !!! and i haaate pants hate them really, and not flexy fan  (((((((((help take us under consideration help us please Here are the words you want to see: my experiments can be reproduced. Using the 1.20 RC 5 viewer, Experiment 1 Experiment 2 Experiment 3 System Information is: Second Life 1.20.5 (86279) Apr 30 2008 00:02:10 (Second Life Release Candidate) CPU: PowerPC 7450 (1500 MHz) I think it must have something to do with skirts with alphas in them-those that don't have any can be worn fine, all others now invariably fail to appear. I can rebake textures as often as I want, they won't appear.
This has been happening since May 5, 2008. If I stand in appearance mode sometimes the skirt appears sometimes it doesn't. Today, been standing in appearance mode for 45 minutes. Skirt will show during this time. Closed out and skirt is gone. Went back into appearance mode skirt is back on. This is NOt a skirt with "Alpha". This happens even with skirts I create from the appearance menu...
Second Life 1.20.5 (86279) Apr 30 2008 00:22:51 (Second Life Release Candidate) You are at 236314.2, 310132.2, 25.0 in Ambiance Falls SW located at sim3617.agni.lindenlab.com (216.82.22.98:13001) CPU: Intel Core 2 Series Processor (2128 MHz) Have had the bug for a while now, but noticed something else.
When i first got the bug, i was on my PC with the Release Candidate viewer, and as soon as it happend, it happend on two accounts, one old and one new. Last night i played SL on my laptop for the first time since then, which of course has completely different hardware, it has the original viewer still, but it also has the bug now. So i dont think its connected to either the account, or the hardware or software on the players side but just happens randomly and once your tagged you screwed. I just tried the latest1.20 new release candidate and still no skirts!
I may have found one interesting correlation with this issue.
As a clothing designer, I work with numerous clients on the skirt issue. For most all of the problem skirts... there seems to be a very good chance that the original texture I used to make the skirt is missing from my textures folder ... probably when SL had inventory loss problems in the past. This is not 100%. I've uploaded new textures and still had trouble getting the skirt to load, but it's so much more prevalent on older skirts where the original uploaded skirt mesh texture was a victim of inventory loss. Hope that helps in finding the bug. Thank you for all your attention to this matter! Hi folks,
So I finally had some time to look at this again. I think it's a rendering issue where we weren't setting glColorMask to the proper state during the baking of the skirt texture (or for any of the other baked textures for that matter) and this would also explain some of the randomness. I've also found that wearing a HUD exacerbates the problem, which would make sense if we're not cleaning up well after hud rendering. I'm testing a fix right now that looks promising, and will let you know how progress goes. For now a workaround might be to take off any HUDs you have, put on your clothing, make sure it bakes, then put on the HUD. I apologize for how long this bug has been around. It seemed to occur starting in 1.18.6, right when we started not cleaning up glColorMasks well. Hi, everyone.
Reading the last comments... well, I'm not alone at all! My favorite dresses are now "unwearable" and I don't know what more I can do. I followed the suggestions, but none worked. Switching to appearance mode and then wearing the skirt worked fine, but now it doesn't anymore. I'm using RC6, my video card is NVIDIA GeForce 6200. Hope that this bug is fixed soon! Thanx for all attention to this matter! I hope a more permanent fix is in place soon.
I have mads my living in SL on over 150 non-prim kilts that I make and sell and this bug has rendered my entire selection unwearable. I have received complaints from buyers and my sales have dropped to practically nothing. That is a bingo Zen! I met a girl recently who was wearing a nice system skirt with no problems. But she was fairly new so I helped her a bit and gave her a HUD AO. She IMd me later saying her skirt would not appear any more and asked if the AO might have caused it because it only seemed to have a problem when she had the HUD on. I didn't see how it could be related but I understand a bit better now.
What a choice-I can either wear a skirt or look like a jittery duck when walking and like someone with back pain when standing...
Let's hope this is fixed soon! Fix is committed, but I don't know if it will make the 1.21 viewer or not. We'll have to see how the QA process goes. I'll keep you posted.
Two points: When this fix is introduced, you may still have a disappeared skirt when you try it on the first time as it will still use the old, borked, baked texture at first. Hit ctrl+alt+r for a rebake and it should look fine. Also, if anyone is running open source, I could post a patch if you all want to check out the fix and see if it works for you. Let me know if anyone's interested. Sorry this took so long to look at. Once we get our crash rate down, I'll be able to hit more of these type of bugs. Zen, I'd love it if you could post a patch for the open source client here.
Yes please Zen, could we please have the patch made available so other viewers could pick it up sooner? (That would allow those of us who use them, and have held off releasing new clothing designs using system skirts, and to get back to how well SL worked last October, rather than having to wait until it gets into some new LL viewer and then trickles down to other viewers.) Thanks muchly!
This problem exists for quite some time now. My video card meets the requirements, the drivers are updated, I'm using the latest client....so I did my part. I think it;s about time that this issue gets fixed....I cannot use half of my clothes!!
I have found that if I don't have anything in my HUD, or anything scripted equipped, when I put on the skirt, I generally have a good chance at it showing and staying for me. I haven't checked with others.
I have also found that when the skirt DOESN'T show for me, it will show for some other people, and Not show for some. Hope this helps. I'm using the 1.20.6 viewer on Windows XP ... tapping CTRL ALT R a few times (not too fast) usually works for me.
Zen, it would be wonderful if you could post a patch for this problem. If it is not posted here please let us know a link where we can get it.
Hi, I can't wear my skirts recently, they only the editing in a appearance menu visible. The skirts are invisible simply on an interesting manner.
I heard a method to solve this problem from my friend.
But it is only a case to be able to edit an invisible skirt. If you can modify an invisible skirt, 1. Wear an invisible skirt. When you do it in this way, your skirt is displayed. I'm not good at English. I always use a translation site, sorry... This patch will only work on upcoming code drops.
To get it to work with earlier drops, change gGL.setColorMask(true, true) to glColorMask(true, true, true, true) Also, you may still have a couple of invisible skirts after the patch is applied. Rebaking should clear them up. Thanks for the patch, Zen.
For us ignorant types, can you give instructions on how to install it? Also...is there any explanation for why the problem is so much worse in the 1.20 Dazzle Release Candidate viewers? I do not have the problem if I use 1.19.1.4, except on skirts that have been previously corrupted by trying to wear them when using 1.20 (5) and above. Lindal, you would need to compile your own viewer to include this patch.
Second Life 1.20.6 (86925) May 6 2008 20:43:54 (Second Life Release Candidate)
You are at 231444.5, 274716.3, 631.6 in wellesland located at sim3252.agni.lindenlab.com (216.82.20.241:13001) CPU: AMD (Unknown model) (1002 MHz) I have tried all the suggestions for patches, fixes, etc....It seems that SOMETIMES I can wear skirts, and SOMETIMES I cannot, and even if I manage to wear one, it can disappear after TP'ing or just spontaneously. This has become so frustrating, that I just refuse to buy anything with a skirt layer now, and will only wear dresses with pant layers. I hope there is a permanent solution found soon. Sometimes I have more luck with the old viewer, 1.19.1, but not always. I can imagine that clothing vendors must be quite frustrated as well. I do strongly agree with kanja sands. I am enraged as I spend most of my L$ on clothes, or shall I say *I used to*. The huge majority of my clothes are basically useless and I spent too many L$ to just take it sitting down, which would have the advantage of covering my naked derriere. MY question is =>when<= and =>how soon<= and =>how good<= will the "fix" be ?
Although it may be obvious I am NOT spending another single L$ on any clothes until it is really fixed. Not one, none, rien, nada. I really do appreciate the enlightenment of the proposed solution **change gGL.setColorMask(true, true) to glColorMask(true, true, true, true)*** I am sure it did help the probably 1% of the members with a dual Intel processor implanted in the brain. I'll keep it in the freezer. I hate to throw away left overs. Respectfully yours Sophiee and kanja, what Zen is saying is that he has found the problem, and the fix is being tested internally at linden lab. At the moment there is nothing that can be done until testing of the fix is complete. I understand that you and many other people are frustrated, but at this stage, there is nothing that can be done to speed up the process.
In the meantime, before you put a skirt on, it may help if you remove any HUD objects before putting on the skirt, and waiting for it to finish loading before putting the hud objects back on. (to see if you have any HUD objects worn, right click on yourself, select Take Off then select HUD and then remove every item there.) @Zen: The fix seems to work for me, without requiring me to re-bake at all (applied to 1.20 RC7 source0 Yes! Detaching my one and only HUD attachment, lets me wear my skirts again. I have spent the last two hours playing in my clothes closet trying them all on. Once the skirt was on, I could reattach my MystiTool and the skirt stayed on.
One skirt persisted in turning transparent, but I could fix it by going into Appearance mode for a second. I'm thrilled to wear my skirts again, but I'm wearing glitch pants under everything until I know the software problem is fixed. Yesterday, after login, I was without my skirt suddenly. I tried various ways to get it back, e.g. by clearing cache, rebaking textures, ... none of them worked. I created a new skirt, placed my texture on it, resized it and it disappeared. /me cursed
Than I though - it might be alpha - saved my texture as PNG, without alpha chanel - uploaded it - created a new skirt - and so far, i didn't had any problems anymore. As this problem occurred the same time, to different people using different viewers, I asume there was something wrong with some some server side patch. ... btw i'm using the official linux viewer on a radeon 9250 with a tungsten driver. if the skirts are not flex everytime i put one on it shows up for a second then turns into what you see above...
this is what it should look like... after a good half hour trying to fix with help from vender where i purchased the outfit....now i have to go thru that for everyone of my skirts that are not flex type.... not happy
Perhaps some charitable soul will be so kind as to explain to me why in the cute little square top left it reads: Resolved---Fixed. Also I did download the "patch", and think that shied away from chinese language classes. At least chinese is very melodious and beautiful language.
MY tushy is really getting soooo cold some days. Sophiee, I'll try to be a kind soul. Because it IS fixed. In the current Release Candidate viewer, as it says at the top under "Fix Version". It is NOT fixed in the current normal viewer, 1.19, BUT in the 1.20 Release Candidate. It can only be fixed in the main viewer when the Release Candidate becomes the main viewer.
And those patches are not for US to download, unless you are able to compile your own viewer from the source code (Well, I'm not, as I'm lacking the necessary programmes) - they are not programmes in themselves. And I don't want to be impolite, but as it is indeed fixed and just awaits a new release of the main viewer, people do NOT need to post further comments telling everybody that their skirts are gone in any viewer BEFORE RC 8. I hope you're really sure this is fixed because a brand new item acquired in 1.20RC7 did exactly the same thing with a system skirt.
It looks like you need to 'update' your avatar rendering for the fix to take effect.
I was wearing a (disappeared) prim skirt in the official release, and when I logged to RC8, simply taking it off and wearing it again wasn't fixing it, I had to do that while in 'Edit Appearance' mode. when i wear my skirt i cant see it and otherpeople cant either but my inventory say i am wearing it
short skirt i have about thirty and i cant wear them mermaid i cant do no tail called skirt i was getting married in sl but i bought three wedding dress but again no skirts its silly been going on now for nearly a month i dont know why but last night my skirts are ok and i would like to thank you and all at lindens lab you get the compliants but never thank so i gave you alla big THANK YOU
It hasn't been fixed yet... and this seems to be the canonical version of the bug (as opposed the many duplicate complaints)... so it shouldn't be ranked as resolved until it is in fact resolved.
I got the problem just today with a prim skirt I made today from a new texture.... although I was still using the 1.19.4 viewer. Previous comments state the fix is in version 1.20 Release Candidate (RC). So you are correct Tammy in that you will still see the bug in 1.19. This does not prevent the bug report being listed as fixed. If the bug is removed from the current RC, which it appears the community and the Lindens are stating, then having the jira in closed/fixed state is correct.
To observe if the issue is resolved for you, the RC is required. If you are able to replicate the issue with the RC that has the fix listed, re-opening the bug report would then be very appropriate. In my case running RC 1.20.8 (88152) has the issue gone. Reverting to 1.19 sees it re-appear. Going back to the RC after a 1.19 version, I need to use one of the listed workarounds, then its gone again. All my experiences are as expected based on the details and comments in this report. By definition "Fixed means that the fix is confirmed public. " Which has been done. Not in the client you are using, but in the RC. I know there are a lot of comments, that's why I edited the description.
Before someone re-opens this again, check this:
Also, your dissappeared skirt must be a system-skirt, not a prim-skirt. I have Expierinced another bug similar to this...I had a problem with a jacket layer only showing a bra type article of clothing.only showed 2 patches of white around the breasts and a small thin strap around the back. I have rebaked and rebaked go into appearnce it shows but stilll will not rez fully.
I thinkt his may be related so I added the comment. so i'm not the only one suffering from the indecency
I ran into this again today after not seeing it for awhile, with a new outfit I'd just bought. Skirt rezzed briefly, then vanished. It appears in edit appearance mode, then gone in regular mode. It's no mod so I couldn't try modifying it. A rebake seemed to fix it, but as soon as I TP'd somewhere it was gone again (fortunately I was wearing underwear), and no amount of rebaking would bring it back (just edit mode, and only while in edit mode).
One weird effect after teleporting was the skirt was gone, except for a green band around the knees, and on that band was the text that was floating above my friend – her group tag, their name, and a floating text line that an object they were wearing was generating! I'm running client 1.20.0 (84432), except it's calling it a Release client rather than a Release Candidate; currently on the download page 1.19.1.4 is the Release version and 1.20.13 is Release Candidate, so I don't understand why mine's not called Release Candidate. I will now try to install the 1.20.13 Release Candidate client and see if that fixes it.
When I add a prim skirt I get a long skirt gray rezz and then it disappears even though inventory thinks I am still wearing it. When I reset default avatar and rebake, I can wear a skirt for that session but sometimes it disappears when I tp.
The lack of response on this issue is just one of the things that is making me investigate alternatives to Second Life. I worked hard to run a successful wedding business, this issue means I cannot use any of the good tuxes I have purchased or any of the wedding official items I have purchased. It ialso nterferes with taking pictures of the weddings.
Offering no alternatives (like allowing us to use an old viewer that worked before the Lindens broke it) shows a lack of regard to people who have spent hundreds and even thousands of RL dollars in this environment. This issue has been around for over 4 months, that is too long to have nothing done yet. I cannot imagine a more clear way for the Lindens to tell me they do not care for my business or my money, Well suposidly 1.20 fixes this issue. I have not had time to test it, but you might try the Release Canditiate. Also the work around is to remove all your HUD's, rebake your textures (ctrl-alt-r), then attach your HUDs once the skirt is visable again. If that does not work, then remove huds, take off skirt, put skirt back on, rebake then reattach huds.
1.20 for several versions now, does indeed fix this issue. I haven't seen it for several iterations.
The bigger problem is that not everyone is using it, so will still see this bug. LL can't help that, though. I may be lost here but this skirt bug is still a very big issue for so many people. If there is a new ticket open on this or if someone has information that will help direct me to it please let me know.
LL please take serious notice of this. This is affecting the designing community as a whole and is not fair to those paying customers that the viewer isn't right. If I'm off base here please set me straight. Thanks. Rebel Hope p.s. wasn't Torley looking into this and if so what did he find? Also, I have been able to get most of my customers to get the skirt to rez by doing a list of different things one being installing updated drivers but I do know there is an issue with some new drivers and windlight so do so with caution and look into your video card and it's compatibility in SL. Rebake and clearing cache often works with another rebake once back after clearing cache. Once I made a brand new skirt with a newly uploaded texture to it and it fixed that but not always has that worked. @Rebel - It is only fixed in version 1.20 of the viewer.
hi I found a fix which seems to work: enter in edit appearance mode, select the faulty skirt, move any cursor (and replace it on the desired value). The skirt disappears, and then reappears about 30 seconds later. Save and exit appearance mode at this moment.
Otherwise I submitted a ticket for this, 4051-5070048 (closed) and the team confirmed me that the 1.19 viewer is faulty, and a fix was found in the 1.20 viewer. So we just have to download any of the 1.20 series viewer, without waiting for it to be mandatory. Well using the 1.20.17 version of SL.. haven't had this problem at all since downloading it..
HOWEVER.. soon as I updated my GFX driver this morning, to Nvidia 178.13, the issue reappeard once more My guess is that there needs to be a fix in the next client to correct this again? Note: Rebaking works.. for about 10 seconds.. then the skirt snaps back to the transparent version. Atriel, there are known avatar rendering issues for the Nvidia 178 series of graphics drivers, please see issue
The following workaround has been reported:
Please add your comments/vote to issue Thank you : ) This issue did come back to haunt me with new hardware and drivers. I can confirm I'm no longer seeing it on Second Life 1.22.0 (103519) Nov 20 2008 15:37:22 (Second Life Release Candidate).
This is still present in the latest 'Second Life 1.22.9 (110075) Feb 10 2009 12:43:24' client. I have tried all of the above fixes, and the skirt still is not visible to other avatars.
I am using a GF8200 (integrated), though I cannot disable Palletized Textures (already disabled I am amusing? ) . I can see my skirt, though others can't. (How embarrassing, to be running around SL thinking you're wearing a skirt that's not actually there!) - How ever, when I login, the skirt is invisible until I rebake. I thought it was just rez lag or something. Apparently it's not. Sometimes when tinkering with the skirts parameters, it will disappear until I exit the edit appearance menu, or change another parameter. Relogging, clearing the cache, creating a new skirt, wearing other skirts or reloading all attachments or using 'Test Female' in char. tests does not fix the issue. This is getting a bit old now. This issue haunted me as a newbie, and still is today! That's over a year! Ariu, please see these articles in Knowledge Base How can I improve performance ?
and How do I check for packet loss (network lag)?
This article will show you how to get detailed information about the performance of your computer and the Second Life world Statistics Bar Guide Please add some more information to this issue
For account-specific help please Submit a Ticket with Support Thank you : ) Resolving re JIRA issue posting guidelines System/Sim Details:
I have the latest nVidia Drivers (7.15.11.8206), latest clients and have verified that others cannot see the system skirts I wear. (Like I said previously, I tried new skirts and old ones: None show up). I tested the standard 1.21 Client, it does not show the system skirt either. If not one skirt works, It's not one affected skirt, but how the viewer is rendering them. Packet loss was 0 - 0.4% during the tests. (Last night, when I was testing with my alt. Today it is 0.0%) Since I've confirmed that others cannot see my system skirts, this is not just a problem on my end, it's a grid wide problem. - So I am unresolving this issue.... Again. If you'd like to see if you can see my system skirts, contact me in world. (Most people who I tested this with were using 1.21 or newer clients, and nVidia cards). >> I am also uploading a snapshot of the issue. I repro with 1.22RC.
A part of the skirt and the hair disappears. This phenomenon recovers according to the following procedures. 1. camera zoom out use mouse wheel etc... 2. camera zoom in use esc key It is trouble in the display (Rendering of avatar) immediately after the teleport. CPU: PowerPC 7450 (1416 MHz) @SakurraNoel - That is most likely VWR-11890, not this issue.
@Ariu - Please open another issue for what you are seeing, in this issue you would not see your skirt either, not just others.
@ Harleen
No, as I said in my first post.
That means the issue is still present, though halfway fixed. Rebaking fixes the issue halfway, I can see the skirt, but others cannot. This could be another issue, but from what I see, it is the same. In either case, I am creating a new issue since I am tired of this one being re-opened and re-resolved, and the chance that this is a different bug. Created: @Harleen Gretzky
My avatar's skirt and hair only. system hair and skirt or prim hair and skirt?
Also, I meant VWR-8920, sorry @Harleen Gretzky
Oh, Sorry. My trouble is VWR-8920. my problem is that I look ok on my screen but others see me either naked or dressed wierdly and when I search my inventory for worn I show I am wearing what I selected
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Bug
Resolved
Critical
System skirt textures turn invisible on wearing
