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Key: VWR-2102
Type: Bug Bug
Status: Resolved Resolved
Resolution: Duplicate
Priority: Normal Normal
Assignee: Unassigned
Reporter: Mo Hax
Votes: 10
Watchers: 2
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1. Second Life Viewer - VWR

"Can See My Online Status" toggle not working

Created: 09/Aug/07 10:59 AM   Updated: 20/Jan/08 11:28 PM
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Component/s: User Interface
Affects Version/s: 1.18.1.2
Fix Version/s: None

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Linden Lab Issue ID: SL-53842


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1) Noticed that after checking "Can See My Online Status" to off that it did not take affect. Later when trying the same thing after relog seems to work, but inconsistently.

2) Group membership shows your online status. This completely defeats the purpose of having set "Can See My Online Status".

3) Sending an IM reveals online status. Sending a simple IM to an avatar with "Can See My Online Status" set to true indicates "They are offline" ONLY if they are truly offline, otherwise, it reveals they are actually online. The "[10:57] Second Life: User not online - message will be stored and delivered later." message is only sent when the avatar is truly offline.

SL NEEDS TRUE INVISIBILITY TO SURVIVE. Any and all chat clients outside of SL have a true 'invisible/stealth' mode. Second Life desperately needs this to keep people from dropping due unable to control their visibility, not only can this create very awkward social situations (but only for those who don't know about it and use it because of it's misleading promise), but it makes focused development and presentations impossible since Busy mode is also largely broken.



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Melanie Milland added a comment - 24/Aug/07 05:53 AM
Now why is invisibility so important? I think it is dishonest. If I find that someone has made themselves invisible to me, I will stop communicating with that person. I'm glad it works the way it does, so I can see I am being evaded, and react accordingly.

Torley Linden added a comment - 04/Sep/07 10:46 AM
Can you please provide a repro with more details (if needed) for "Noticed that after checking "Can See My Online Status" to off that it did not take affect. Later when trying the same thing after relog seems to work, but inconsistently."?

Most of this appears to be closely related to/duplicates VWR-1408.


Marine Kelley added a comment - 10/Oct/07 07:28 AM
Being able to have online status truly invisible is vital. Content creators constantly get stalked by people who either check the groups they're in, or other direct means (friendship offers, inventory offers...), not to mention scripted methods, and now this FL bug (that I experience every single session these days), just to have answers to their question first, or worse.

Some people see SL as a big chat platform, therefore if you're online you're there to chat with people. I do not see it that way. When I'm online I spend most of my time to work and my close friends understand that when I say I don't have time to talk. But some customers just don't get it.


StarSong Bright added a comment - 02/Nov/07 06:14 AM
I absolutely agree with Mo that SL needs true invisibilitiy. There are lots of valid reasons to want to be invisible. Something as simple as only having a few minutes and wanting to check something or IM somebody (since you can't do this from email unless they have IM'd you first). Just this morning it happened to me I had FIVE live IM's flashing before i even finished logging in. This means spending 5-10 minutes i did not plan for so that my friends would not feel i was being rude. Being able to go in invisible for a quick "thing i needed to do" would have saved me lots of time!

Eternally Timeless added a comment - 05/Nov/07 08:43 AM
I tested this with a friend of mine on Saturday. We need private time to be able to build without getting bombarded by IMs.

He took off "can see my online status" for me, and he appeared offline in my contacts list, though I got no auto message when I IM'ed him. Then I logged out and relogged, and there he was, listed as online. Later when he put the online status back on for me, I got a message that he had logged in even though I had seen him online the entire time. It seems this status only works if the friend is already online...and doesn't last when they relog, making it rather useless.

Mo also mentioned busy mode being broken. We tested this, too, alternately putting ourselves in busy mode. The only difference was that "busy" showed up over the avatar and chat bubbles were hidden. However, no auto-response was given when IM'ed.

It would be nice if busy mode would give some indicator to a friend who opens an IM window that the person is busy, before they send a message (much like when opening an IM window to a friend who is offline), then one wouldn't have to "hide" to avoid IMs. Though first it would just be nice if it worked the way it claims to.


Torley Linden added a comment - 20/Nov/07 12:39 PM
Resolving as "Cannot Reproduce" because we're unable to repro (1). (2) is VWR-1408, and (3) is a concern I've heard a number of times – separate but related privacy bugs & feature requests should be reported as new issues (if they don't already exist); putting too many things in one issue reduces focus and makes them less actionable.

Mo Hax added a comment - 21/Dec/07 04:03 AM
1) does seem to have been fixed from what I see 2) and 3) are alive and well and NOT covered by the other tickets, imho. Need more proof of interest and that it is occuring? Read the recent ignorant "tip" posted and the flood of responses at http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/12/20/knowledge-base-article-of-the-week-getting-some-me-you-time

Darkie Siddeley added a comment - 20/Jan/08 11:06 PM
this has NOT been fixed... I don't like being visible to "strangers" who added me as a friend... I prefer being online only to people who I really know, so this is seriously not working and something I'd definitely want to see fixed. Right this moment a friend IM'd me and they told me I show as online when I clearly unchecked the "can see my online status" box.

Harleen Gretzky added a comment - 20/Jan/08 11:27 PM
1) appears to be VWR-2669

You say "2) and 3) are alive and well and NOT covered by other tickets"

How is 2) not VWR-1409?

And if 3) is not covered by any other ticket it should be opened as an issue by itself.