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Key: VWR-1867
Type: New Feature New Feature
Status: Reopened Reopened
Priority: Normal Normal
Assignee: Unassigned
Reporter: Angel Fluffy
Votes: 3
Watchers: 0
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better "no copy" for notecards

Created: 22/Jul/07 11:01 PM   Updated: 23/Jul/08 07:29 PM
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If a notecard is "no copy" OR "no transfer", then you shouldn't be able to copy text from it to the clipboard.

Simple, hunh?

Right now, anyone can copy text out of your notecard, and give it to someone else, even if the notecard is no-transfer.

Currently, if you set a notecard "no copy", then it stops people *reading* the thing.
This is redundant. Why give someone a notecard they can't read?

I know that notecards are sent to the client, and thus, it is impossible to stop people copying them.

Nevertheless, I don't feel we should make it a piece of cake to copy and broadcast a notecard which is meant to be no-transfer.

The fact we cannot make it 100% impossible to copy/transfer the notecard is no reason for making it trivially easy to do so, even when the creator has set permissions indicating they do NOT want it to be copied or transferred.


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Thomas Shikami - 23/Jul/07 05:38 AM
This seems to be a won't fix thing. At least, no copy works in a way with not being able to download the notecard. I need to check if the notecard can be read using scripts though.
About no transfer, it's the same semantics as scripts. If you don't want to give out modifyable notecards/scripts that are then given around with you as the creator, you set every notecard/script to no transfer and they are then unable to give that one as created by you to others. As long as there aren't full permissions notecards/scripts you created around.
This is a client side issue, making it blocked to be able to copy/paste a notecard would just give a false sense of security, as a modified client and even a script will be able to create copies of the notecards.

WarKirby Magojiro - 30/Aug/07 12:23 AM
This is silly. If a notecard can eb read, it can be copied easily.

Even if you can't ctrl+c, many scanners have the ability to extract text from images so you could simply print screen and rescan. Or 3ven just transcribe it by hand.

This is about as useful as putting a wooden fence in front of a charging tank. closing as won't fix.

Angel Fluffy - 06/Nov/07 06:46 AM
Reopening because I don't buy the whole "the task is impossible, so we shouldn't even try" mentality.
It is impossible to eliminate all crime from the world, but we still have police.
It is impossible to cure all diseases, but we still have medical care.
It is impossible to overcome every challenge... but that is no reason for us not to make a decent effort at trying.

I agree that it is impossible to completely stop people copying text out of no-transfer notecards if they wish to do so.
Nevertheless, I see no reason to make it trivially easy to ignore the content creator's rights.

I'm not suggesting that we take drastic steps here, but I do think that a *working* no-transfer permission for notecards might stimulate the writers in the SL economy to produce more content, which would be good for SL.

I know at least one person who has withdrawn their content from SL over this issue... so I know that lack of decent copy-protection does indeed hurt the economy.


Mercia Mcmahon - 06/Nov/07 08:38 AM
I would love to have this not impossible, but I cannot see how a notecard that you type into can ever be non-copyable. You can copy highly formatted text from websites, so simple typescript in a standard font is going to be impossible to protect (I think). Shame, there goes my plans to sell my four part trilogy via SL.

Angel Fluffy - 10/Nov/07 02:47 PM
The point isn't to make notecard text non-copyable.

The point is to make it slightly harder to copy. Currently, it is so easy to copy that permissions on notecards are meaningless.
It shouldn't take that much work to make the 'no copy' / 'no transfer' permissions on notecards mean at least *something*.
Even if they can't be watertight, or even very good, having *something* in place is better than the current situation where they have *no* protection at all.

marcus prospero - 10/Jan/08 03:02 AM
Actually, having "no-copy" notecards as one you cannot read does make them impossible to copy.

And there are reasonable uses for that. I've seen scripts for hypnotherapy machines sold as 'no-copy' notecards - the purchaser cannot cut and paste the text out nor transcribe it, but can put it into the machine it is designed to be read by.

McCabe Maxsted - 01/Mar/08 07:48 AM
"Actually, having "no-copy" notecards as one you cannot read does make them impossible to copy. "

No, it doesn't. I can copy the contents of any notecard, no matter the permissions, just by using a script to read the lines. The permission system is NO PROTECTION FOR NOTECARDS whatsoever, and should not be relied upon. Anything you need to keep "secure" should be kept out of notecards and put into other scripts instead.

Anna Tretiak - 20/Mar/08 12:37 PM
You say that If a notecard can be read, it can be copied easily. Not true. You may be able to copy its contents, but you cannot copy its creator. Anybody looking at a copied notecard can check the creator and will see that it is a copied version because it comes from somebody else.

So, letting people read no-copy notecards makes a lot of sense to me.

nekololi woodget - 29/Apr/08 12:19 PM
How about a new permission just for Notecards and scripts? Call it "Hidden" or "NoRead."

The inability to be able to see a notecard can be decoupled from the no copy permission and attributed to the new "No Read" permission.

This will make the no copy permission refer to the actual notecard itself, not the contents. This will make it more clear to people what permission means what on notecards and scripts. This will make noCopy noMod yesRead whateverTransfer notecards retain their UUIDs which could be useful to scripts, for instance, a gift card reader that would scan the UUID rather than the text