[#VWR-13337] (ATI) avatar appears semi transparent in latest (1.23.4) viewer

1. Second Life Viewer - VWR

(ATI) avatar appears semi transparent in latest (1.23.4) viewer

Created: 08/May/09 01:33 PM Updated: 24/Oct/09 12:14 AM

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Component/s:

Avatar/Character, Graphics

Affects Version/s:

1.23 Release Candidate, 1.23

Fix Version/s:

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Second Life 1.23.1 (119104) May 4 2009 17:53:10 (Second Life Release Candidate)
Release Notes

Built with MSVC version 1400

You are at 172278.1, 315874.0, 1.0 in silent sparrow located at sim4629.agni.lindenlab.com (216.82.55.25:12035)
Second Life Server 1.26.3.118673
Release Notes

CPU: AMD (Unknown model) (2611 MHz)
Memory: 2047 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (Build 6001)
Graphics Card Vendor: ATI Technologies Inc.
Graphics Card: ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series
OpenGL Version: 2.1.8494 Release

libcurl Version: libcurl/7.18.1 OpenSSL/0.9.8j zlib/1.2.3
J2C Decoder Version: KDU
Audio Driver Version: FMOD version 3.740000
LLMozLib Version: [LLMediaImplLLMozLib] - 2.01.23758 (Mozilla GRE version 1.8.1.21_0000000000)
Packets Lost: 19/25407 (0.1%)

Issue Links:

Duplicate

This issue duplicates:

VWR-12906 (Nvidia) Certain actions such as changing outfits makes entire body, arms, hands of avatar disappear, makes face rezzing screwy

~~VWR-13081~~ Avatar skin intermittently becomes 100% transpatent

~~VWR-13063~~ Skin on body semi invisable (Transparent)

This issue is original of duplicate:

~~VWR-14175~~ when changing top of outfit.. old top either gets stuck or the entire top half of avatar diasapears ad requires a re-rez to fix

~~VWR-14217~~ i have new version of SL my avatars face is black and eyes popped out totally disfigured

~~VWR-14784~~ Avatar invisble

~~VWR-15676~~ Transluscent Character -

~~MISC-2966~~ character clothes corruption

~~VWR-14188~~ Bug by editing other avatars look

~~SVC-4409~~ My face and other s here have bodies and whole bodies disappear.i see a robot under skin face hollow head. My bf lost his torso.One girl had only feet.All since update and when ever we change clothes , mine seem to be when i have saved an outfit and put i

~~VWR-14273~~ avatar being transparent

~~VWR-14277~~ My avatar will not rez fully, my face is either black or missing...

~~MISC-3055~~ Body Disappearing

~~VWR-14845~~ transparent avatar

~~VWR-15062~~ My head is missing!

~~VWR-15315~~ Avatar skin issue

~~VWR-15812~~ skin and texter bug

~~VWR-13826~~ My avatar looks semi transparent

~~VWR-14202~~ When I change character cloths, the body looks invisable.

~~VWR-14258~~ repeated dissapearance of textures and body parts

~~VWR-14553~~ Clear AV body apears

~~VWR-14543~~ Invisible avatar

~~VWR-14622~~ skin problem with version 123.4

~~VWR-14281~~ The latest update SUCKS, you can see through Avatars, WHY DO YOU RELEASE SOMETHING THAT"S THAT BORKED?????????????????????????????????????????????

Parent/Child

This issue child of:

VWR-812 Ability to add alpha to base avatar skin

Relates

This issue Relates to:

~~VWR-12803~~ 1.22 viewer makes avatars appear translucent

~~VWR-13063~~ Skin on body semi invisable (Transparent)

VWR-12080 Meta-Issue: Issues with ATI Catalyst 7.12-9.10

VWR-2149 Meta Issue: Various reports of avatars displaying incorrectly (ruthing, invisible, etc).

This issue is related to by:

VWR-12906 (Nvidia) Certain actions such as changing outfits makes entire body, arms, hands of avatar disappear, makes face rezzing screwy

VWR-14463 Avatar clothing change invisible to all inworld, but visible to me.

~~VWR-14127~~ Avatar alpha mask triggers accidentally?; segments of avatar skin (or body parts) spontaneously disappear (become invisible, assume alpha mask)

~~VWR-14821~~ bug avatar

~~VWR-14826~~ Avatar Skin and Clothing not rezzing, and Head Transparent

~~MISC-3488~~ After updating my SL program as suggested on the log in page, my avatar does not rezz incompletely anymore. He looks like a floating hairy head/skull. What can I do?

~~MISC-2972~~ When I wear my German Skin M5 from Soul Skins, portions of my avatar disappear but only to me, others can see my full avatar. When I put on another skin I can see everything but when I change back it disappears again.

~~VWR-14209~~ aratas go invisible

~~VWR-14235~~ -I see everything fine but avatars -including me-are transparent, only prims are ok..

~~VWR-14255~~ Hi there. Since I upgraded to 1.23.4 version, 2 things happen : 1- parts of my avatar disapear (I can see through the av. 2- 3 sets of balls I paid for disapeared in the house where I live.

~~VWR-14752~~ The avatar look invisible since 2 days and last update

~~VWR-14385~~ Possible workaround for transparent avatars

Last Triaged:	22/Jun/09 03:23 PM
Linden Lab Issue ID:	DEV-34249

Description

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Note: This appears to be an ATI issue, there is a similar issue for Nvidia cards at VWR-12906

Since upgrading to latest RC my Avatar goes semi transparent whenI change items of clothing.
A rebake sorts the problem out, briefly but as soon as the textures arrive again it goes transparent.

1) Wear or remove an item of clothing (e.g. jacket)
2) it will rez normally
3) when the "refresh" baked texture arrives it will be 50%-ish alpha

1) rebake
2) immediately issues is resolved
3) short time later back to transparent

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Harleen Gretzky added a comment - 08/May/09 01:42 PM

Duplicate of VWR-12906

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Moon Metty added a comment - 08/May/09 02:17 PM

This problem is a duplicate of ~~VWR-13063~~

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beq janus added a comment - 16/Jun/09 04:04 PM

I'm reopening this as LL have released 1.23.4 with this still broken. The bugs that this was related to by the previous entries are mostly not the same issue and the one that appears to have been truly duplicated has itself been closed off and referenced back to a different issue

This is NOT VWR-12906.

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Net Antwerp added a comment - 17/Jun/09 01:07 AM - edited

Video repro: http://tr.im/oLmf
Windows XP SP3, ATi Radeon HD 2900XT Graphics card (320 cores), Catalyst Driver 9.5/9.6, Second Life Client 1.23.4

Issue does NOT exist with the last official release - 1.22.11

Guys, VWR-12906 is primarily a nVidia-related problem: Most ATi users don't experience missing avatar parts like that.

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Andrea80 Sands added a comment - 17/Jun/09 02:16 AM

in http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-5948 its sayed that
Edit->Preferences->Graphics->Hardware Options->Antialiasing
It's a drop-down box, select 16x to restore avatar opacity.

does that help here?

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Djibu Fabre added a comment - 17/Jun/09 02:59 AM

It works for me, nice workaround.

CPU: Intel Pentium III/Pentium III Xeon (0.25 micron process) with external L2 cache (2499 MHz)
Memory: 5119 MB
OS Version: Professional (Build 7100)
Graphics Card Vendor: ATI Technologies Inc.
Graphics Card: ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series
Windows Graphics Driver Version: 8.14.0010.0671
OpenGL Version: 2.1.8673

libcurl Version: libcurl/7.18.1 OpenSSL/0.9.8j zlib/1.2.3
J2C Decoder Version: KDU
Audio Driver Version: FMOD version 3.740000

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Andrea80 Sands added a comment - 17/Jun/09 11:04 AM

i did try in http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-5948 its sayed that
Edit->Preferences->Graphics->Hardware Options->Antialiasing
It's a drop-down box, select 16x to restore avatar opacity.

but it didnt changed a bit for me..

Second Life 1.23.4 (0) Jun 16 2009 22:26:56 (

Built with MSVC version 1400

Sie befinden sich in 261925.6, 325694.7, 23.6 in Witch South located at sim8662.agni.lindenlab.com (216.82.39.221:12035)
Second Life Server 1.26.4.120562
Versionshinweise

CPU: Intel Pentium III/Pentium III Xeon (0.25 micron process) with external L2 cache (2666 MHz)
Memory: 3071 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows Vista Service Pack 2 (Build 6002)
Graphics Card Vendor: ATI Technologies Inc.
Graphics Card: ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series
Windows Graphics Driver Version: 8.62-090520m1-081755C-ATI
OpenGL Version: 2.1.8673

libcurl Version: libcurl/7.18.1 OpenSSL/0.9.8j zlib/1.2.3
J2C Decoder Version: KDU
Audio Driver Version: FMOD version 3.740000
LLMozLib Version: [LLMediaImplLLMozLib] - 2.01.24716 (Mozilla GRE version 1.8.1.21_0000000000)
Packets Lost: 0/43787 (0.0%)

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Djibu Fabre added a comment - 17/Jun/09 11:59 AM

Just enable antialiasing in ATI CC, and it will work. Open CCC, anti-aliasing and check use application settings.

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Gordon Wendt added a comment - 17/Jun/09 02:45 PM

changed title and added note to the description slightly to clarify which cards it effects and it's opposite number for Nvidia cards

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Monicuzza Babenco added a comment - 18/Jun/09 12:53 AM - edited

I had same problem, but with this mod all work fine

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>Edit->Preferences->Graphics->Hardware Options->Antialiasing
>It's a drop-down box, select 16x to restore avatar opacity.
and
> Just enable antialiasing in ATI CC, and it will work. Open CCC (Catalyst Control Center), anti-aliasing and check use application settings.

Just enable antialiasing in ATI CC, and it will work. Open CCC (Catalyst Control Center), anti-aliasing and :
Level: 8x
Filter: Edge Detect

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Andrea80 Sands added a comment - 18/Jun/09 04:14 AM

I would like to correct my last comment:

does solve the Problem. You better change the setting. log out of SL and Log back into it not messing with your graifc settings. Witch reopens the bug.
So change it and dont mess with the settings anymore.

So maybe the AA should be looked into by LindenLabs for ATI users.

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beq janus added a comment - 18/Jun/09 09:57 AM

As I raised the bug I guess I should also confirm that the workaround described has worked for me. thank you for the advice.

What I did:
1) don't change SL graphics settings
2) run the catalyst control centre
3) go into 3d->anti-aliasing.
4) select "use application settings"

This is however still a bug, with the solution simply a workaround. LL should still review and determien why cusotm AA settings will not work

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Caelib Mccallen added a comment - 19/Jun/09 04:20 PM

Second Life 1.23.4 (123908) Jun 11 2009 15:16:56 (Second Life Release)
Built with MSVC version 1400
Release Notes

CPU: AMD (Unknown model) (2410 MHz)
Memory: 3328 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 3 (Build 2600)
Graphics Card Vendor: ATI Technologies Inc.
Graphics Card: ATI Radeon HD 4650
Windows Graphics Driver Version: 8.573-090113a-074230C-ATI
OpenGL Version: 2.1.8395 Release

libcurl Version: libcurl/7.18.1 OpenSSL/0.9.8j zlib/1.2.3
J2C Decoder Version: KDU
Audio Driver Version: FMOD version 3.740000

Hover Text fonts are very hard to read. Rebake only corrects the issue momentarily. I have gone through every setting on the ATI Catalyst software and nothing corrects the issue.

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Net Antwerp added a comment - 20/Jun/09 11:03 AM - edited

Caelib, workaround for the hover text problem - enable Catalyst AI in CCC. "Standard" will do.

Note that the "Advanced" Catalyst AI setting can crash the viewer.

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Strife Onizuka added a comment - 22/Jun/09 05:52 AM

This is caused by internal changes they are making to support an alpha mask for avatars (VWR-812).
https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-812?focusedCommentId=97804&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_97804

This bug is best described as growing pains.

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Net Antwerp added a comment - 22/Jun/09 06:53 AM

Strife,

Internal development changes MUST stay internal - nVidia and ATi users shouldn't be experiencing these problems right now.

Missing avatar parts (nVidia), Transparent Avatar issues (ATi).. Ridiculous for a 'Production' or final-release 3D software.

Not to mention another problem with ATi Radeon (HD) users: Anti-Aliasing is forced ON, regardless of the Catalyst Control Center settings. Yes, tried re-installing the driver + re-installing 1.23. 1.22 obeys AntiAliasing settings, 1.23 does not - performance loss for ATi users who doesn't want AA turned on.

Plus, 1.23 seems to be overloading the display driver, causing it to "stop responding" with the VPU Recover dialog popping up all the time. 1.22 and earlier NEVER caused the display driver to "stop responding".

Internal development changes MUST stay internal - nVidia and ATi users shouldn't be experiencing these problems right now. Or, at least, a "switch" to turn the latest unstable 'enhancements' off.

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kona linden added a comment - 22/Jun/09 12:56 PM

Possibly linked to VWR-12906, but no proof of this...

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Harleen Gretzky added a comment - 26/Jun/09 08:29 PM

From ~~VWR-14385~~:

I found how this can be fixed when I have had someone run into me asking Help for the Ghost effects happening ... it seems to cure the problem when... I ask them to go into Advanced>Rendering>tests>volume
I ask them to do this.. Please uncheck the volume Once.. click out.. Re bake.. and vala they appear sometimes it's taken up to two times to do.. but still it works.. this is the method I've found about one week ago and tested it on a few others.. for clarifications..
Hope this helps.. out in some degree..
thank you
Jade.. Atlantis.. Mentor Servent..

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Mocksoup Graves added a comment - 12/Jul/09 02:08 AM

CPU: AMD (Unknown Model) (2210 MHz ) {it's really an AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 4200+}
Memory: 3072 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 3 (Build 2600)
Graphics Card Vendor: ATI Technologies Inc.
Graphics Card: Radeon X1650 Series
Windows Graphics Driver Version: 6.14.0010.6925
OpenGL Version: 2.1.8543 Release

I have worked around it tweaking with the CCC settings and selecting "application settings" . I remember something like this happening when WL first came out.

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Luna Barak added a comment - 08/Aug/09 03:41 AM

Same here

I dont see it transparent though I see only eyes (globes) and hair all the rest disappear totally not even transparent

I am on a PowerPC G5 Dual

Modello Chipset: GeForce 6600
Tipo: Monitor
Bus: PCI
Slot: SLOT-1
VRAM (totale): 256 MB
Fornitore: nVIDIA (0x10de)

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Jarnz Dench added a comment - 03/Sep/09 12:06 AM - edited

Just started happening to me today upgrading from Windows 7 RC to RTM

CPU: Intel Core 2 Series Processor (2400 MHz)
Memory: 6143 MB
OS Version: Professional (Build 7600)
Graphics Card Vendor: ATI Technologies Inc.
Graphics Card: ATI Radeon HD 3870 X2
Windows Graphics Driver Version: 8.14.0010.0671
OpenGL Version: 2.1.8673

ATI drivers 9.6, 9.7, 9.8 all make my avatar transparent about 2mins after logging in.
This has happened before around late 2008 and was fixed by ATI fixing their drivers for this problem. Link to problem back then: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-5948
As above and back in the old one, the trick to get it back was to increase the AA setting, but this has never worked for me with this problem.

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Nimil Blackflag added a comment - 06/Sep/09 11:32 AM

why does second life never work with the lated videocard drivers? my replacement for my old videocard is an ati.. everything was fine until i updated my drivers this morning and now i have this transparency problem. didn't take the time to look here before rolling back my driver though. these troubles really need to be looked at.

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Jarnz Dench added a comment - 12/Sep/09 06:09 PM

The new ATi Drivers 9.9 don't fix the problem.
Did find for me that View > Highlight Transparent makes avatars solid again for 1.23.4 and Snowglobe 1.1.2, but can't go around seeing red highlights everywhere, does come in handy with customer support though.

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Jarnz Dench added a comment - 24/Oct/09 12:13 AM - edited

Another driver (9.10) and new SL client (1.23.5) and still no progress.
I this problem being worked on by LL or ATI? Would be nice to know because it's really starting to affect building and animating not being able to see avatars. Highlight Transparent works in some cases but when there is a lot of transparent around it's too hard to work.