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Key: VWR-13134
Type: New Feature New Feature
Status: Open Open
Priority: Showstopper Showstopper
Assignee: Unassigned
Reporter: Lisa Lowe
Votes: 0
Watchers: 1
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Option for turning off the water movement animation, as it creates a terrible framerate drop.

Created: 01/May/09 06:28 AM   Updated: 22/Jul/09 02:46 PM
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Component/s: Graphics, User Interface
Affects Version/s: 1.23 Public Nightly, 1.23
Fix Version/s: None

File Attachments: None
Image Attachments:

1. view upwards to the sky.jpg
(115 kB)

2. water normal.jpg
(140 kB)

3. water turned off.jpg
(128 kB)
Environment:
Second Life 1.23.0 (118378) Apr 24 2009 14:24:08 (Second Life Release Candidate)
Built with MSVC version 1400

U bent op 258912.7, 250338.2, 23.1 in Localization Central located at sim7509.agni.lindenlab.com (216.82.35.2:13000)
Second Life Server 1.26.2.117266

CPU: Intel Pentium 4 (Unknown model) (2798 MHz) - ASUS
Memory: 2560 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 3 (Build 2600)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation - ASUS FX5700/256
Graphics Card: GeForce FX 5700/AGP/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2

libcurl Version: libcurl/7.18.1 OpenSSL/0.9.8j zlib/1.2.3
J2C Decoder Version: KDU
Audio Driver Version: FMOD version 3.740000
LLMozLib Version: [LLMediaImplLLMozLib] - 2.01.23583 (Mozilla GRE version 1.8.1.21_0000000000)
Packets Lost: 22/77370 (0.0%)
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I would like an option to turn off the water movement animation.

With RC 1.23.0 the water looks a lot nicer, but also causes me a serious lag. To show this, I included several pictures taken at exact the same location. One is with water shown as normal, the others with only showing the sky or with the water turned off in the Advanced menu (Rendering > Types). The difference in framerate may be clear. With the water turned on or in view, it drops from about 26 fps to only about 6fps

Settings: Medium with bump mapping on, basic shaders on, atmosferic shaders off, water reflections off, hardware skinning on, distance 96m, terrain low, avatars middle, anisotropic filtering off, anti-alias off, VBO on.

(Long ago I already reported the same problem also, while still using a slower machine at VWR-7658. With the introduction of RC 1.23.0 this even became worse now.)



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Cummere Mayo added a comment - 04/May/09 06:47 PM
how does it work if you turn vbo off?

Lisa Lowe added a comment - 08/May/09 03:51 PM
Cummere, that doesn't change anything. Still the same problem. Only turning off Basic Shaders turns it into a basic water surface again, improving the framerate right away again. But doing so doesn't exactly improve the quality of the rest of SL either.

Lisa Lowe added a comment - 22/May/09 04:22 AM
This still happens also in the Second Life 1.23.3 (121118) May 20 2009 15:45:07 (Second Life Public Nightly) version. I would like some attention for this please, as it is a serious showstopper for everyone with an 'average' computer. Everytime I am near water (and there is lots of water in SL...), my framerate drops and makes using SL next to impossible. I also like sailing my boats for instance. That's next to impossible. And sailing with the water turned off looks totally rediculous...

Lisa Lowe added a comment - 22/May/09 04:25 AM
I changed affected version and priority.

Takara Pearl added a comment - 15/Jul/09 04:28 AM - edited
Lisa, the issue is not SL. It's your computer. You have an FX 5700. That is not officially supported with SL. FX 5700 is not 'average'.
  • NVIDIA GeForce 6600 or better
  • OR ATI Radeon 8500, 9250 or better
  • OR Intel 945 chipset

Look for those cards and get them.

And the priority is NOT a showstopper... ._.

SL has given you options to be able to improve your framerate by making things lower quality. Yeah, it does make the SL experience have less "WOW" to it, but at least you can play it and talk with people right? If you want better graphics, change that card out for one of the above.


Chalice Yao added a comment - 15/Jul/09 04:34 AM - edited
Just a note, the windlight water shaders are a major performance hog, even on newer video cards.

With a blazingly fast 280 nVidia card, one can easily get an increase of 15 FPS by simply doing ctrl+alt+7 to disable the display of water. Interestingly the fps gained seem to become more the faster the card is. Fancy that.

The issue here might be the old video card, but it should be noted that the water shaders themselves are far from optimized.


ellen spark added a comment - 22/Jul/09 02:31 PM
I feel I need to make a comment here because there is also another issue that relates to this.
The minimum system requirements that Linden posts on the website, is extremely outdated.
You cant run sl anymore with a system that has the minimum requiremnets they state. Try it and see.
The requirements really need to be updated, since all the changes in sl now require more cpu processing power
and much more memory, for sl to be useable in any degree.Good luck if you think you can still run sl on a 800 mhz cpu
with only 512 mb of memory, it justs not going to happen, I had to raise my laptop from 1 GB of memory to 2 GB of memory
this year, just to keep up with the " improvements " in sl. and now its just fine again.
Also I see your computer is useing an AGP slot for the video card, unfortunately AGP is now very old technology, even
PCI Express slots have been upgraded to the newer version. But mabe I can offer some help, if you dont plan on getting a
newer computer. Get the GeForce 7600 GS OC, we have it in our childrens computers and theirs have the old AGP 8X slots.
It runs sl fine on their computer under Windows XP , so this may be an option for you, its your video card that is giveing you
most of the prrolbem, I see you have 2 GB of memory, so that helps you alot. Old AGP cards are running out, because they
are no longer really in production, so ill paste a link here where you can get the GeForce 7600 GS OC AGP 8X with both
VGA and DVI outputs.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2427400&CatId=318