I most of the time stay on estate because its a better experience.

Reason 1) Not everyone likes the pg areas. Some of them, myself included, find the pg areas too restrictive, too right-wing, or jsut to censored to enjoy them. SL is suppsoed to be about what the players want to see. and some of us don't want to see the censored, areas where if you wear something even halfway racey some someone files an AR.
Reason 2) Allows you to avoid keyword abuse, and allot of spammer places
Reason 3) Allows you to avoid getting relocated to a PG area nude if your last location or home location go down and you log in before they come back up
Reason 4) true flexability and choice in the viewer

However, the Rating preference is only meant to set an upper limit on the type of content you want to see. This is to make sure people don't accidentally teleport into content that wouldn't be appropriate for their workplace, school, etc. PG areas by definition should be safe to teleport to.

Just because something was added for one purpose does not mean that it should not be open to being changed or removed to better suit the users.

bottom line, many sl users feel that if there is a way to block access to adult areas, there should also be a way to filter out pg areas or mature areas to better suit the needs and desires of the user.

I understand that it would be nice to have full control over the viewing experience, but it takes a lot of logic to implement every single use case. The most requested situation is for people to be able to choose whether or not they see Adult content, and if they are a business or school they may want to limit to PG-only content. Going the other way is a much smaller percentage of users. We've put in the logic for what affects the most users. You'll note that we did implement search to allow people to filter out PG, which should help with this quite a bit.

This feature request to lock yourself out of PG regions would require quite a bit more work and isn't something that we can get in for the 1.23 release. If this turns out to be a huge concern for the community, we can look at it for future releases.

FYI - Login redirects have also been changed to use your maturity preference to determine which type of region to redirect to. If you have selected Adult content, you will not be redirected to a PG region on a failed relog. This should help with the "eek! I'm naked in a PG region!" issue.

I agree with nya that implementing this in 1.23 would take a lot more coding than could be reasonably expended if the viewer is to be presented in a timely manner.

However, I do feel there are good rational (rather than emotional) points that make the addition of this feature valid, if not in this release, then certainly in the next one.

With the upcoming changes to the grid, residents run the risk of bans, warnings etc on their account when they may have no intention whatsoever of violating TOS.

For Instance: Let's say I am at a soiree on an adult/mature region and I am wearing a T-Shirt that has an adult/mature image or slogan on it. Suddenly, I am messaged by a customer that may be having some difficulty with one of my creations. (Can't get a script to run, doesn't understand the instructions fully etc). If they ask me kindly, I am certainly going to do all I can to help my customer get their product up and running so they will be happy with it. At that moment, this is my priority. I am not thinking about what I am wearing or that I may be about to be teleported into an area where what I am wearing may result in an action being taken against my account. I am trying to be a good person and provide good support for a product I created.

In other words, without the ability to block myself from being accidentally teleported into a region where I may be risking my account status, I am whisked away without warning or a reminder that my account may be at risk and this is simply not fair. While it is apparently paramount to protect residents from things they do not want to see, hear or know, it should also be paramount that we are protected from inadvertently presenting content that has been deemed inappropriate in regions that have a different rating. A teleport dialog does not give any indication of the regions rating and even if it did, there is still a chance of clicking it and teleporting by mistake. It simply would not provide a resident with the same amount of safe and sane protections offered in the opposite direction. By providing protections in only one direction the technology built into the viewer is not fully protecting residents but providing a means whereby the policy might be mistakenly violated. If we have the ability to eliminate that possibility, then I think we should make it so.

I am really happy to see that Login Redirects has been addressed. That is a good thing!

I would hate to tp into a class situation half dressed by accident. Not only would it hurt my standing in SL but it could also affect LL for allowing it to happen. A filter to allow me to skip PG in searches would be simple when compared to explaining the half naked Neko in the grade 5 class.

The greatest risk with the coming changes is a user being inadvertently in a position of being at risk of Abuse Report for a content violation, Giving those of us who like the fantasy of SL and Role play the tools to ensure we are minimally, if at all, visible to those who have not elected to see Adult Content is a matter of safety for us. Preventing us from seeing non-Adult flagged content and locale's reduces our exposure to accidentally causing unintended offense because we can simply not go where our content and behavior is unwelcome.

• Kyle

In other words, if I have a [censored] attached, and it is flagged as mature content (as it should be) its presence should prevent me from teleporting to a non-mature area.

(Note that simply detaching the object may not be enough in some cases.)

from Pounce:I do not understand the logic, you flag areas as PG, Mature and Adult.

The "PG User" does not see and move to areas flagged Adult or Mature, now if the flags already are there where is the problem with using the same flags to filter out PG or Mature flags?

It is the same equation only with the numbers shuffeled arround, you make an filter where Adult and Mature is switched with PG and Mature.

At least preventing someone from Adult to PG rated plot teleporting should be no problem if SL is programmed in any sane way, all the modules for implementing it are already there for PG user, changing it is mainly a question of adding the buttons to the client and using the same systhem that filter Adult for the PG user only with changed algebraic sign, + instead - for the Adult content and - instead + for the Adult land.

Each filter, if properly programmed, can be used to make exact the opposite of what it was made in the first place for.

I have explicitly asked for the ability to flag myself as Adult Content and I have a group "I Am Adult Content" the quote from me on the premise that this was necessary.

• Kyle

Can you give us a cast iron guarantee that this will not happen and if it does through no fault of our own we will not be subjected to an AR from a PG person, as we all know how inconsistent the GTeam are.

I, myself, am a programmer as I'm sure many others here might be and I can tell you from experience limiting such a simple feature (When it could be added with such ease), this leads to nothing disgruntled users and your product being a failed attempt to be the best it can.

Now, you can hand us all the PR BS that you want, but everyone knows that it's the right wing conservative's that have caused this. They're too offended to see a naked set of pixels on the screen because their child may be in their lap or watching from a far. Frankly, these are the type of people that don't even deserve the use of the internet, they need to be allowed access to ARPA and that's that. So, if they get the ability to block mature content and adult content (I guess this is Linden Labs admitting that they allow kids on the adult grid, why else would you want to block adult content from adults???) in turn the ability to block PG content should be there for me. I don't want to be around these people, no more then they want to be around me, I don't like living with the constant fear of "OMG, I might TP to one of these area's and mention breasts and then my private convo that offended a person so badly they just had to stay in chat range and record it got sent to LL and my account is now locked until further review".

Perhaps people like me ARE a low percentage, it just goes to show that pussyfication of American and dare I say the world is spreading. So, I'll make it simple, in a way these virgin eyed and eared people can understand..."It's not fair! You got a cookie and I want a cookie too!"

Oh and BTW, please stop treating us like we're dumb, this talk of "It's a massive amount of logic" is insulting to our intelligence, because that's just a flat out lie. Simply say "We just don't want to do that right now, till we see how this is going to run" or "We just don't want to do it" We'd respect you a lot more for that type of honesty instead of the PR BS that you keep handing and insulting our intelligence.

I don't think anything needs to be done to block access to lower areas, but search should definitely, without question, 100% have a "Do No Show PG or Mature - Only Show Adult" option.

If LL is ignoring and not willing to implement that very simple request of users in their viewer probably 3rd party viewers will.

Having to set parcels to "adult" if you see an exposed boob or something will mean that lots of items will get removed from many shops and galleries, and shops with a majority of adult items (consider a lingerie or latex shop) will have to set their sim/parcels to 'adult', which means: only people with payment on account will be able to get there, means: no more customers, means: out of business.

I really do not understand the shizophreny in the US, having world's biggest porn industry, trying to protect adults from seeing adult content. Pffft.

http://forums.secondlife.com/showthread.php?t=314444&page=001&pp=15

It seems that Kyle hit the major take - away from this issue: "The greatest risk with the coming changes is a user being inadvertently in a position of being at risk of Abuse Report for a content violation..."

Ryanna also says "it is important that they be able to flag themselves as such in some way so that they never find themselves in a situation where they have offended others, and become the target of an AR because they "accidentally" dropped, tp'd or otherwise flew into a PG area."

Lord Sullivan asks: "Can you give us a cast iron guarantee that this will not happen and if it does through no fault of our own we will not be subjected to an AR from a PG person, as we all know how inconsistent the GTeam are."

While I would love to sit here and type out a guarantee that you could quote, there are always a few bugs to work out in every new viewer. Is it never going to happen? I can't say until 1.23 is in wider distribution and the majority of SL users are experiencing it for themselves. But I can assure you Lord and everyone here, that this is the way in which the 1.23 viewer is intended to work. Logins will always redirect you to either your last location, your home, or a safe location based on your preferred maturity. If your last location was PG, or your home is, you may end up on a PG region. If this should happen to fail and result in an AR, the Gov Team will investigate each case individually and escalate the failure to the appropriate developers to fix.

As for implementing this Jira in the new 1.23 viewer, I'm sorry to say that it just isn't possible. That's not to say that we are opposed to the idea. As you are all aware, we are attempting a HUGE change in the Second Life experience and we would like the opportunity to focus first on rolling out these changes. In other words, we want to get this first step right before we take another.

We will see how attractive that "SL lite" will be...

I am not for adult content "only", but sex is part of life as much as some people like to deny it (where did they come from?).

Yes some people overdo it but i can wander for hours through SL without seeing any Adult content, just keep your eyes (camera) out of others bedrooms and dont wander into the building with "XXX" advertisment and you see less than you see while browsing the internet.

There is this little thing called "common sense" and i get the feeling the people who demand an "clean SecondLife(tm)" LOVE to be offended.

No one is forceing them to view mature content. By the region tags alone it should be relatively easy for them to avoid areas where mature content will be prevalent. Allowing them to block mature content from their viewers is a good idea. However, there are also those that wish to 'live' in a mature enviroment. They do not want to be bothered with people that can not view then walk away without yelling about what they have seen. And, unfortunatly, this being an online experience, there are rules that regretfuly can be abused by those that want to cause a stink. If someone that wishes to not see mature content accidentaly does so, either through them going to the wrong location or by someone from a mature area accidentaly arriveing in a PG area, more often than not they will complain and make noise about it, usualy resulting in them falsely accuseing someone of forceing mature content upon them. Were they forced to see what they have seen? Ofcorse not. Unfortunatly the reverse is not always true. A mature person (wearing mature items or clothes) can easily end up accidentaly in an area they shouldnt be, and end up the target of bans or reports to the mods about them 'forceing' others to see something mature, and that is simply not the case. Not allowing people to decide both ways what content they want to see isnt fair atall, infact, it smacks of favoritism. If PG users can block mature content, it should seem only natural for Mature useres to be able to block PG content. LL is already going through the trouble of accomidateing the PG users, not extending the same service to the Mature users hints too much of either lazyness, disreguard, or contempt. Wether or not that is the case, I can not say, but at face vaule, it is hard not to see it that way.

Another saying that people like to use is that 'Numbers do not lie'. And indeed, they do not, however people do. Wether intentualy or accidentaly, baseing such actions on a quoted 'percentage of users' is flawed for a number of reasons. If a poll was taken, the numbers only represent the opinions of those that took part in the poll, and in no way accounts for the unknown number of other people that did not take part in it, or who may of not even been aware that there was a poll being taken. If the numbers are based on a person's location at a certian time, then it could equaly be flawed, as anyone who is in SL will frequently move from one sim to another over the course of a day, resulteing in skewed numbers. And in a situation such as this, those that feel there is not a problem, or those that never realized there was a problem will naturaly not be inclined to voice an opinion, as they have no problem with the way things are going at the time. This means that the only voices heard will be the ones of the people that feel there is a problem, and unfortunatly said voices are often biased towards the way they see things and will seek whatever ends most benifits them without takeing others into consideration. So to say that this is being done to benifit the majority of Second Life users is a false statement by it's very nature. Clearly people are now comming out and stateing that this is not in their best interests. Invalidatieng their opinions by saying that you have already reached your conclusion will only reinforce the belief that you do not care for the users of SL as a whole, and insted would rather cater to one select group.

Makeing this option of blocking certian content work both ways seems to be the most viable solution, and honestly the easiest to implament. Seeing as you have already done most of the work to placate the PG users, adding another option to satisfy the Mature users should not require any more effort than has already been put forth, and would be a way to please both group in this debate. Stateing that it would require too much work to block Mature content rather than PG content is a contradiction in terms. Either that means that you are going for the 'easy fix' reguardless of the problems it may cause, or there is dramaticly more Mature content in SL than there is PG content, meaning that it would be harder to make sure that this filter works for every Mature user rather than easily makeing it work for a smaller group of PG users. In which case, the previous statement about Mature users being only a small part of SL is clearly incorrect.

The other way of solveing this would be simply to have a seperate grid, one for PG only content, and the other allowing useres to freely use or display Mature content. Ofcorse, this would require alot more effort, but would ensure totaly that those wishing not to view mature content are in no danger of doing so, and would prevent Mature users from accidentaly and falsely being accused of violations, as there would be no need for mature-content based abuse reports on such a grid. Ofcorse, wasnt there already a "Teen Second Life' grid where mature content was not allowed? Why not simply allow all PG users that wish to avoid mature content to relocate to that grid and be done with it? That is, ofcorse, if that grid is still up and running.

Sorry but you either have no idea what you are writing or you are from the marketing department (or both). What would be the showstopper to implement exactlty that 3 checkboxes that were mentioned:
[ ] PG
[X] Mature
[X] Adult

Please put some meat on your argument.

Boy Lane

> Blondin Linden commented on VWR-12977:

> As for implementing this Jira in the new 1.23 viewer, I'm sorry to say that it just isn't possible. That's not to say that we are opposed to the idea. As you are all aware, we are attempting a HUGE change in the Second Life experience and we would like the opportunity to focus first on rolling out these changes. In other words, we want to get this first step right before we take another.

Why is no Linden assigned to it?

The core goals of this initiative are to improve Second Life for everyone - by giving Residents more control over what they see, and by providing the best available method to make Adult content accessible only to those who ought to (and who desire to) access it.

https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/blog/2009/03/12/upcoming-changes-for-adult-content

Implementing the proposed change serves core goals of the adult content initiative. It obviously gives Residents more control over what we see. From the perspective the resident, at least, it is the best method to make Adult content accessible only to those who desire to access it.

The proposed change would "get this first step right before we take another", as Blondin Linden asserted above.

The three checkboxes looks like the perfect solutions for the goal asserted by LL, easy clean and works for all. Have anyone looked at the underlying settings, can we make that in a 3:rd party viewer or is the protocoll also fucked up at the moment.

/ Balp

"Logins will always redirect you to either your last location, your home, or a safe location based on your preferred maturity." Assuming this works (I haven't figured out how to test it with the Nightly Build--maybe there's a way, short of shutting down a sim?), it still only addresses the login scenario. But it does nothing to prevent accidental teleport from Adult to sub-Adult regions, which will absolutely result in Adult content (avatars & attachments) appearing in inappropriate areas. This needs fixing before 1.23 goes live.

"This feature request to lock yourself out of PG regions would require quite a bit more work and isn't something that we can get in for the 1.23 release. If this turns out to be a huge concern for the community, we can look at it for future releases." 1.23 has plenty of problems--it ain't goin' nowhere, any time soon. Adding this to the deliverable is a drop in the bucket compared to all the other stuff that needs fixing (or backing out).

I'm not a techy person, I'm not a coder but there are others here who are and they say it's relatively easy to put this into place, I'm going to tend to believe them.. I do think it's in LL's best interest to make sure ALL players have the ability to see what they wish to see and experience SL how they wish to experience it and to protect all users by offering them the tools to help make sure they are able to follow the guidelines and rules that are put into place.

Blondin said: Logins will always redirect you to either your last location, your home, or a safe location based on your preferred maturity. If your last location was PG, or your home is, you may end up on a PG region. If this should happen to fail and result in an AR, the Gov Team will investigate each case individually and escalate the failure to the appropriate developers to fix.

This concerns me greatly because as a person who will be able to access all regions (remember if I am verified, no region is unacessible (sp)) then it stands to reason that on a sim crash or down sim, I may very well land in the next available sim...which is PG. Those people are not going to think "ooh she must have been from a sim crash/off line sim" as I am standing there in lingerie showing bits due to a film I was creating. They are going to go "eeps! Naked persen...in a PG sim...that's a AR offense!" and before I know it, LL is investigating me. How exactly am I going to prove that I landed there by accident? Is LL really going to go through every ones logs (because even people that DO it on purpose will blame accident) to see if they are telling the truth?

For many, it's not a matter of forever and ever blocking out PG areas. For many, it's going to be an extremely handy feature to use so as not to accidently break rules while doing non-PG related activities.

While the attitude of Linden Labs has so far been to assert that the governance process is fair, balanced, and involves considering all sides of an issue, the way it is kept highly secret makes proof of that assertion impossible under their own policy, and numerous highly publicised incidents paint a very different picture. It is therefore natural for the users to desire to avoid coming in contact with governance at all, and desire programmatic safeguards that would enable them to do so. It should be likewise natural for Linden Labs to use programmatic safeguards to reduce the load on Governance Team by enabling people who specifically wish to avoid breaking rules to prevent accidental breakage of the rules, whenever possible.

However it is an interesting observation that official Linden Labs representatives in this JIRA seem to be objecting, often quite vigorously, the feature requests, and even bug reports, that would, to the eyes of anyone with sufficient knowledge to assess them, result in minor changes to the codebase. Things that require major changes spanning multiple files and subsystems are more likely to pass without comment or implementation at all, but things that should be minor changes are readily objected to, often in more words than the code to implement them could possibly take.

The only rational explanation for this that I can currently think of is that the code review process dictates that the amount of effort required for the code to pass review is constant regardless of the span of the change, and is so complicated and painful that minor changes and bug fixes are seen as not worth the effort required. Which paints a rather bleak picture of the future, I must say.

And it's the paying customers that will be suffering for it.

http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/technical-help/28769-pg-protection-search-teleport.html

Right now, Logins will USUALLY take you to your last location or home. This does not always happen and someone that logged off or was logged off because of a sim crash can find themselves in the wrong sim when they log back on. Since LL has simply decided that everything is working despite complaints, I find it doubtful that this new system will work.
I've also seen people lose everything they have because LL staff never bothered to investigate when someone complains even when it is the person complaining that is trying to cause problems. That person always gets off scott free. What you are mentioning has not worked and will not work.
For anyone that has a problem because LL did not properly implement this release, register a complaint with the Better Business Bureau. If LL does not restore your avatar and all of its belongings or does not provide adequate compensation, contact your states Attorney General's Office or your nations equivalent.

I don't see this as a fairness issue at all. It is an issue of the original goal not being met. Avatars and everything they wear are content. You have left out a whole class of objects in your maturity rating system.

I think this is a vitally important point. While it may not be viable for 1.23, the ability to mark an avatar as mature is [expletive deleted] essential. By saying "I am adult content", we can prevent teleports to PG areas – intentional or not – and potentially screen ourselves entirely from the PG sections of the grid and their users.

Just because I like porn doesn't mean I want to show it to people who don't want it. I don't people who don't like mature content telling me I've offended them by being a seven foot tall naked rabbit. Sometimes, that's just who I am, and I want to make sure that when I do that, I don't accidentally do it in front of those people.

A flag that has to be set by the user himself seems to be an unadequate solution: I think the only way to handle it properly would be:

• flags that allow to rate attachments as 'adult ony'
• a flag that allows to rate the character as 'adult ony'
  If either the character flag or any attachment flag is active, TP to 'PG'-areas is prohibited.

I consider it to be important, that wearing certain attachments blocks automatically from PG-areas. And I do think an Avatar itself should have the possibility to flag itself as 'adult only' too. This way the Avatar could opt in to be always on the save side.

Further:

• if a group is not PG-proof it should be suppressed from being displayed in the avatars profile in a PG area
• Profile 'About' and 'Picks' may contain a lot of non PG stuff too. This needs to be dealt with too. E.G. an mature and a non-mature 'About'

Padraig Swordthain: ".... While it may not be viable for 1.23, the ability to mark an avatar as mature ...."
I completely disagree with that. Postpone 1.23 until this suff REALLY works, it can not be that hard. I do not want to find myself in an offensive situation and be banned from SL due to a rash decision and unfinished code.

I just looked at the 1.23.0 RC Client, and ran a few quick tests.

Set my maturity rating to Adult in Preferences. (I'm Payment info Used and Aristotle verified).

Set search preferences to show all types of content. It defaults to PG, but the PG, Mature and Adult checkboxes, by search tab type, are independantly selectable.

With Adult checked, can still search for and find terms like "BDSM". With Adult not checked, can't search for those "banned words", and get a vague error indicating the search terms are inappropriate, as explained in the Community standards.

Given that BDSM got thousands of hits with Adult checked, it apperently is including individual parcels that are flagged as Adult, and not just sims flagged that way. Couldn't possibly be that many sims already flagged adult and with adult content already on them.

SO...

If I want to search ONLY for Adult-labeled region (or parcel), I can check ONLY the adult checkbox, and be relatively assured my naked slave and I won't TP into a PG-rated sim and store that happens to sell a few racy items.

If I am wanting a more comprehensive search, and am dressed appropriately for a PG sim, I can check all the boxes, and search all, even for "racy" terms.

But if I uncheck "adult" I can't search for the "dirty words" and get an error indication that implies this is NEVER allowable, not that it is only not allowed at the lower maturity rating.

This last is still a problem. It should instead indicate that my search included terms that require an "Adult" rating.

The more I think about it, the more I see the genius of Amazon.com.

All they have is two ratings.

Porn and Everything else.

And that's why they'll be here 50 years from now...

LL, I am not so sure if they will be.

big grin because by now I think I will!

anyway, I believe that people should be able to view only Adult if they want to. If they want to see Adult and nothing else, great. But PG and Mature should NOT NOT NOT be separated from each other in ads. All non-adult ads should have one set of guidelines, and not too strict of one. THINK AMAZON PLEASE, in how you filter, for the love of all that's worthwhile. Just sort out the hardcore, that's all you need to do. If it can show up in a RL magazine ad, its good enough for SL mainstream ads!

I do not think that they should separate out PG and Mature content in the ads. The sims do this already.

Any teleportation to sims need to be handled by what the SIM OWNERS want to see show up in their sims. I think this whole ratings stuff is all ackbasswards. really.

As far as ads are concerned, all you need is an Adult rating, and an Everything else rating. Because lets face it, most businesses in SL are a mix of PG and Mature content. You can see the rating of the sim in the ad so I think this is silly. If it is a PG sim you can see that it is that. If you are wearing adult items that are rated "adult" you should be blocked from teleporting. It shouldnt be in the sorting of the ads.

Where we really need the "pg" "mature" and "adult" ratings is on content, and the real choices of this content needs to be on the sim owners themselves, as I outlined in my blog the other day.

http://minervan.wordpress.com/2009/04/29/the-potential-corporate-customers-and-adult-ratings/

The problem is simple.

You and LL are forcing biz who deal in avatar content (skin, hair, clothes) to have to buy two different land, two different ads, we will have to put our stores in both PG and Mature. Hell it is almost to the point where we might have to decide if we have to take all our stuff to Adult just because of a nipple

AND WE WILL NOT.

If we don't get the genius of Amazon LL is going to have a serious problem. KEEP It the way it is. ADULT, and NOT adult. and that is it.

Otherwise all you will have is DISNEY and ADULT and I do NOT think that is what you WANT.

And I have to buy land for my clothes because they are Mature

and I have to buy land for my skins because they have genitalia (adult)

THIS IS NOT FAIR. And different ads for my store too?!

How retarded is this idea? TOTAL and UTTER.

It is ripping us apart. Nobody knows what to do anymore. What do you do if you have ads that are PG content on Mature land? I have vendors for trees a few meters away from vendors for skins, and vendors for furniture.

THEY ARE ALL VINTAGE ... victorian... they are in theme, they are not according to some silly rating. They are according to theme, and they FIT. And most of SL is in THEMES.

Amazon sorts their content by THEMES, not by how adult it is.

Look at SL some day.

THIS IS LUNACY. Really!

And I will do my best to bring as much pressure against it as I can. All of the Victorian communities.

HOWEVER, you have no way of turning off access to PG areas which is what this jira is about. There's not even a popup to warn you if you're going from mature to pg. And no real way of knowing. So its entirely possible to be nude in a sim that's mature or adult and then get tped into a pg area. This jira is one way to safeguard against that.

SVC-4181

Not only is it a service terms problem, its also a security problem. Because I just rezzed with my product in development onto some telehub, its why I started to use Opensim. At least when I crash in Opensim standalone I just go back to the same empty place ...

I can see its worse for others using adult items. But I cannot still support this JIRA in its current formulation. I think a much better way is to stop the teleportation via filtering. That is, a PG hub will only allow PG filtered content, and nothing else. Someone wearing an item that is rated higher than this will not be allowed in. It is the only normal way.

And then we can simply stick to the two sets of search filters - just filter the hard core - let the hard core see the hard core only if they want, and let us filter it out if/when we want as well. It is far simpler to handle the problem of wearing the wrong content via content filters and not via land and search filters

I have proposed an alternative solution which is content flagging - the search is really ok as it is, all they need to do is filter out the extreme hard core content to adult as they proposed initially which was fine. Nobody searches for "mature" content - they search for "hair" or they search for "skin" or they search for "victorian"

And what you might expect also, is that people are infinitely more creative than LL can imagine. Because that hair might be an UPdo - PG, that skin will have nipples and genitals - which is definitely mature, and might be adult (we arent sure yet, because nobody will say), and the Victorian might be anything from a big ball gown (PG), a superdetailed vintage rifle (violence), or a horse flogger (can be considered BDSM, possibly considered adult yet perfectly innocent and PG when used on a PRIM HORSE.).

Trying to separate out PG and Mature in search will destroy businesses which are by and large mixes of PG and Mature content, with the sprinkling of Adult here and there. Every major seller of avatar accessories has a mix of Mature and PG content. They CANNOT flag their land PG and Mature at the SAME TIME, and they cannot flag ADULT either simply due to a few products that might be too mature.

I am 100 percent against the current implementation, and believe strongly that the only real solution is to allow those users who wish to have PG only content have access to filtered content that prevents the rezzing of unscreened and adult content on their sims.

ON THEIR SIMS, as their own personal choices.

Vote for SVC-4181 - which needs no adult verification, it will put the ratings at the discretion of the content sellers just like the movie industry does when it rates its films. Ratings should be devised so that they SELL MORE content, not STOP SELLING content!

Allow Safesearch - or turn Safesearch off - this would be Mature and PG content only, or allow the viewing of all content, including adult.

With an additional filter to allow only the viewing of items that exceed the safesearch criteria.

Again a win win. But I can't vote for this until it reads that way

Thanks, Blondin, for wanting to get the first step right. I appreciate that. And given the number of votes on this Jira and other Jira issues relating to adult content, it's clear that you're starting down a dangerous path. Maybe the wrong path. I'm adding my vote to this issue to say, in effect, "stop this now, and take more time to develop a better solution."

I'm sorry I can't suggest what the Best Solution will be. But where are all the Jira issues and votes requesting a change to the old system? Compare that to all the issues and thousands of votes condemning this new approach, and all I can see is that the solution you're wanting to implement is not what most residents want, contrary to your imaginations. You're breaking the general case by imposing a solution for the exceptional cases on everyone.

I'm not against providing content filtering for those who are offended by nipples and bare ankles, but this is clearly not a good solution for everyone. Please stop now and think some more before making any changes.

May I quote you on this?

To summary for @nya Linden: PG areas are not safe to teleport to. Avatars are content as well, avatars can be classified as PG, Mature or Adult, depending on what combination of clothing, attachments and animations are applied to them.

It'd only be safe, if teleporting to PG areas would transform avatars into clouds automatically (and/or resetting their appearance to one of the newb avatars). In case a user was reported and banned for being broadly offensive for being in adult dress and this happened due to this teleport routing, I'm quite confident this also results in a legal action lawsuit against LL then.

I was engaging adult activity. A griefer came in and shot up the place, and I was teleported home naked. My home is mature, so no real problem. I dressed, then I teleported back to try to identify the griefer to file an AR. She shot me again, and I crashed in the middle of the teleport home.

When I relogged, I did not appear at home, nor at the site that I was teleporting out of. I appeared at the place I had been when I first logged in today.

If that location had been pg, and if I had crashed on my first teleport home, while naked, I would have been in an adult condition in a pg location when I relogged.

That would be avoided by allowing me to block pg content. I would not then be able to log in to a pg location after crashing from adult activities.

Would it be possible to at least start to filter out PG Content at that level?

Once that's identified, and implemented, then the requested filtering, or at least pop-ups, could be implemented at that point, right?

Thanks,
Pirate Russell

If someone wants to be able to make preselections on certain criteria, or if external or corporate considerations require these restrictors to be leveraged on the environment we so love, the reverse should be implemented as well.

Henceforth I ask for a "religion" tag and I demand the freedom to select or unselect all "religious" flagged content for viewing or unviewing.

• But that's not the case.

And we need an ability to not accidentally walk into the kiddie zone while doing something or dressed in a manner most inappropriate for there.

Given that SL is supposed to be for people 18+ only, there's more need to filter out PG than there is to filter out Mature or Adult. No one's going to get offended if a clothed avatar 'accidentally' zones into an adult sim, and that clothed avatar is being by an adult anyway, so they can handle it and leave. But the reverse is not true - people won't take so kindly to a nude avatar accidentally zoning into a business meeting or otherwise PG area.

Beyond that however, search filtering but up and down is just practical for helping people land where they desire to land, and helps work against keyword stuffing.

"If you don't want to visit non adult sims, don't. TP there, or just TP out."
I retract this last comment as it is wrong. I guess I was mistakingly taking this Jira in the light of the make 'PG only people' invisble because they offend me" Jira someone proposed.

there's already jira's on the fact that even with preferences set to mature or adult you can still get redirected to a pg hub when logging in after a sim crash, there's also a jira for a warning to provide an optional warning when heading to a pg area. So far LL has declined to address either of these concerns and yet people are getting 7 and 30 day suspensions for winding up in these areas with adult content when they were redirected there on login.

Furthermore your "just don't go there" argument is the same argument that was used by those of us against having to be shunted to the ghetto to maintain the happiness of a few unreasonable prudes.

Finally, there was nothing in this that said anything about turning sims into invisible baron land. this filter would act just like the ones that filter out mature or adult content and prevent your avitar from being able to access them.

If the idea is to prevent accidental TP into PG or Mature sims it should say so, say it that way and I will even vote for it. even though I don't expect to need it. The description needs to be more accurate what the OP wants to gain support and avoid confusion so the Lindens don't introduce something we didn't ask for..

When sims go down, the first preference I think is to send you home, then second seems to be where you were born, thrid I think is a random infohub., perhaps it's better not letting you login till you choose the sim you want to log into, access to your landmarks folder somehow perhaps?
I don't see anything in the description to say anything about hiding search results, which would also be useful to many people. But is probably a seperate Jira.

You say the filters are there to keep those not age verified safe from exposure to adult content. That is all we want to do too. We want to keep from exposing our adult content in pg areas because we inadvertently tp'd there.

As has been stated multiple times the mechanism is already in place for the adult content and merely needs a "polarity" change to filter the PG areas.

"You are about to teleport to an area with a stricter content rating. Please ensure your avatar meets these guidelines. Do you still wish to teleport? [Teleport] [Cancel] [Guidelines]"

That said, as a PG-only user, I am sympathetic to those interested only in Adult content - none wish to be offensive, provide them the tools to avoid this.

That way they don't become embarrassed when they appear naked in a business conference, and I don't become embarrassed when they appear naked in a business conference.