[#SVC-4368] Declined No Copy Inventory sent to receivers trash

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Declined No Copy Inventory sent to receivers trash

Created: 10/Jun/09 03:06 PM Updated: 08/Mar/10 04:15 PM

Component/s:

Inventory, Permissions

Affects Version/s:

1.26 Server, 1.30 Server

Fix Version/s:

None

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Duplicate

This issue duplicates:

~~VWR-13910~~ Declined items appearing in receiver's trash

This issue is original of duplicate:

~~SVC-4909~~ No copy items offered and declined are lost rather than retained by the person offering goods which might otherwise retain viability

Relates

This issue Relates to:

SVC-1128 llGiveInventory deletes no-copy objects if user declines them

This issue is related to by:

SVC-5049 Declined inventory offers are being added to inventory.

Last Triaged:	12/Oct/09 01:42 PM
Linden Lab Issue ID:	DEV-41208

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No copy items that are sent to another user and either manually declined or auto-declined are sent to the receivers trash.

According to the Second Life support site documentation on transferring inventory,

"Note: If an item is marked (no copy), you will lose ownership of the item if the other Resident accepts the transfer. "

https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/KBAnswer.asp?questionID=4055

No copy items that are declined, especially auto-declined should be returned to the sender as the documentation clearly suggests unless the other resident ACCEPTS the transfer. If Linden doesn't fix this or they say it's expected behavior (since when?), the documentation needs to be revised to state, "If an item is marked (no copy), you will lose ownership of the item even if the other residents declines it." Certainly that's not the intent.

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Harleen Gretzky added a comment - 10/Jun/09 04:00 PM

From ~~VWR-13910~~ this appears to be expected behavior and has been for a long time.

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BeeBee Brouwer added a comment - 14/Oct/09 05:21 AM

expected ?

Yeah, if I walk through central park at night I expect to get mugged too.

http://www.legalserviceindia.com/articles/transfer.htm

Offer and acceptance are a LEGAL requirement for transfer of ownership. (Ask your lawyer)

"Gift" is the transfer of certain existing moveable or immoveable property made voluntarily and without consideration, by one person, called the donor, to another, called the donee, and accepted by or on behalf of the donee. Such acceptance must be made during the lifetime of the donor and while he is still capable of giving. If the donee dies before acceptance, the gift is void.

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BeeBee Brouwer added a comment - 14/Oct/09 05:26 AM

In ordinary legal effect, there cannot be a `gift' without a giving or taking. The giving or taking are two contemporaneous, reciprocal acts, which constitute a gift. Section 122 of the Act postulates that a gift is a transfer of certain existing movable or immovable property made voluntary and without consideration by one person called the donor, to another, called a donee and accepted by or on behalf of the donee. The essential elements of a gift are
(a) The absence of consideration;
(b) the donor;
(c) The donee;
(d) The subject-matter;
(e) the transfer; and the acceptance.
The concept of gift is diametrically opposed to any presence of consideration or compensation.
In order to constitute a valid gift, the pivotal requirement is acceptance thereof. No particular mode of acceptance is required and the circumstances throw light on that aspect. A transaction of gift in order to be complete must be accepted by the donee during the lifetime of the donor. Factum of acceptance can be established by different circumstances such as donee taking a property or being in possession of deed of gift alone. If a document of gift after its execution or registration in favour of donee is handed over to him by the donor whom he accepts, it amounts to a valid acceptance of gift in law. The specific recital in the deed that possession is given raises a presumption of acceptance.

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Adeon Writer added a comment - 08/Mar/10 04:14 PM - edited

Certainly NOT expected behavior. If a no-copy item is sent, and declined, it should return to the sender. I have sent no-copy things out before only to have them declined, and I have to manually ask them "Well, if you don't want it, please give it back." And it was their understanding that declining would do exactly that, which it does not.