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I have had a long chat with Nicole Linden, and according to her, during the chat, a content warning sign and an active telehub seems to be ok as an alternative, provided the telehub is active, and the warning sign makes it clear that the avatar could be exposed to content some could consider mature or adult.
For the members on SL, I have put up a version of this warning on my sim, sarahsplay island, and would be willing to provide the text note Nicole and I agreed upon and a free copy of the warning texture to any sim owner (assuming the Lindens dont offer it themselves). Sarah I currently work for Kaiya Islands at The Cape Cupid Lagoon venue and I am shocked to see this venue is advertsed as PG. This is most definitely a Mature sim and should not be promoted as anything but. Though the welcome area and the dancing area on the members only beach do not contain sex pose balls they are most definitely there in hidden back rooms. Also right there next to the dancing area is a game called "Truth or Dare" and anyone can click on it to find out what the truth or dare are, yes it is in fact all sex-related.
This is an incorrect rating and with a private group that doesn't filter by age verification or any other means other than payment of the required amount of Lindens. Ponyplay and Ponygirl have been added to the list of Adult keywords for searches, this is incorrect as at does not meet any of the published criteria for Adult content:
Take for instance the policies for my stable, Frilly Filly Farm. The rules are very clear and explictly prohibit any of the activites that would qualify as Adult content. Please remove Ponyplay and Ponygirl from the list of Adult keywords. Search will be badly broken by this. The whole Adult content thing should be backed off and re-thought.
The only sane solution of content filtering really is: SVC-4181
Create a content ratings system to prevent offensive content rezzing in sims with the wrong rating It needs to be done with the ITEMS we make, allowing choices for SIM AND GRID OWNERS to choose what content is in their areas. Because I've been in SL long enough to know the truth. The corporates who complained and left, and those who didnt come at all, didn't like the fact griefers could come in their private sims and rez flying penises. They were NEVER on the mainland, they were always far away from that chaos. Those who came were private sim owners. Mainland sales in that time period was inflated terribly in 2006-7 by adcutters, gambling and "SLanking" outfits, which are all gone the way of the dodo birds. I think with SVC-4181 we can solve several things:
Teen Grid does not have to be merged - they can buy PG rated content from main grid, as well as sell theirs back It will make for an extended Second Life that allows many grids to function separately but with links to the others, without having to give up their individual characters There will be no need for any adult or pg grids. – full text of my PJIRA SVC-4181 – What we really need in SL is a content ratings system. It is clear to many of us that a land and search rating system, though well intentioned, is not sufficient in any way. The main issue for sim owners both individual and corporate was the inability to prevent the rezzing of adult and offensive content on sims meant for general audiences only. Some of these corporations wanted to both keep their local content in, and only allow screened content from the outside in. It is still impossible in Second Life to truly block offensive and/or adult content before it is rezzed in inappropriate circumstances. My general idea is as follows: Second Life allowing avatars to move from grid to grid, and have access to a filtered inventory - according to the filters set by the sim owners. Create an OPT IN system, allowing content creators to prescreen content into PG, M and AO ratings. This content would be available to the Main Grid as usual, and the option would be to allow this screened and rated content to flow across grids. Say PG could flow into other grids like the Teen Grid, and PG content could flow back from TG back into Main Grid. Avatars wearing rated content can be filtered. Avs wearing unscreened/adult content will be unable to rez into a sim that bars unscreened and/or adult content. This should be a system that content creators would have to pay a small fee for - perhaps a percentage of money from each transaction, but open to other monetization methods. PG content should be tightly screened under this system, so that it can be bought and allowed across grids and sims without fear, especially to those educational and corporate customers who need strong controls on inflowing content. Unscreened content should be treated as it is right now, allowed on the Mainland, but unable to be ported from grid to grid, or to sims that bar unscreened content. This is a solution that would restore some greatly needed confidence to the inventory system. It will also lower the costs of Second Life content for standalone corporate and educational customers, who will be able to choose from a competitive market of individual content creators, making Second Life a more attractive platform. I understand it will not be easy. A big issue will be the permissions system. I believe the permissions system can be handled via the licensing of the standalone platform to customers. (that it will have to be enforced to have access to Second Life inventory services) I have attached the text of a notecard that is circulating in world containing the adult search terms that are being filtered.
I am personally dismayed that "nipple" is on the list. After the Janet Jackson Superbowl scandal Robert Thompson, director of the Centre for the Study of Popular Television at Syracuse University, said "I know many people in other countries are scratching their heads and thinking 'What in the world is the big fuss over there?'." Is this list made by Americans for Americans? Or is it a combination of things that are offensive to people everywhere? What is the process for making the list? How will it be maintained and reviewed? How will words be added or removed? What happens in this scenario:
1. you own Sim A - flagged as "adult" 2. you own Sim B - flagged as "mature" but bordering to Sim A (one can walk to Sim A from Sim B) Will a non-verified Account be able to Teleport to B and walk to A? or will A be "red taped"? Or will A be invisible? So a seller of skins that advertises, say, photorealistic nipples or vagina would be considered adult now? It seems rather silly to make any simple body part a naughty word.
I have heard that you are outlawing the word "sex", but not the term "sexgen", so people can still sell sexgen (trademarked) items on mature land. Well, in this case, people selling non-sexgen sex beds will be put out of business, effectively giving the sexgen folks a monopoly on non-adult mature mainland. Not that I personally have any use for any of these items, being a dog. But it all smells a bit fishy to me. And not in a yummy way! And what about words in other languages, or British terminology? OMG - that reminds me of the original filtering that was being done by the Net Nanny software. I gave it a try and promptly tossed it when my 10-yr old son could not do internet research on the reproductive cycle of dolphins because there were bad words on those web pages.
I just cannot believe that in this day and age, especially given how far search engines and technology in general have come, that LL cannot manage to figure out how to use context in deciding what to filter. Saw this in another thread and agree with it:
"This all smacks of the House Committee on Un-American Activities. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Un-American_Activities_Committee "I'm one who will stop giving LL money if / when they start having bad word lists like "Net Nanny" or any of the other mindless thought police types of tools. Any automated system is going to be wrong enough of the time and require so much intervention as to be almost unmanageable. Unlike places like Amazon, SL has far more content being created every day than books added to the Amazon store. Amazon has procedures in place that allows them to check content before it is made public. That structure does not exist in SL. "I also think this will be just another challenge for the griefers to get something past the thought police. "I would rather LL spend their resources doing things like fixing the memory leaks in the viewer. "I find it interesting that MISC-2727 "Terminate All Installation of any "Adult Content" filtering, Relocation, Banning, Viewer Modifications, Server Modifications" has almost TWO ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE more votes than this topic. That tells me this is a 1% problem (or way less, because many either don't care to vote or do not know how to vote.)" of course you agree with it Twig, you're another no payment info on file who probably never put a dime in.
seriously though, I totally expect LL to ignore me. But I have gotten some very good support and feedback on my idea, and if LL wont do it (and I am pretty sure they won't) my proposal will allow people to sell on Opensims, implemented correctly. So Ta... Hypatia, I don't see how insulting people is productive. I'm quite glad LL won't implement your plan, because it's horrible.
I only said the truth, 2k NPIOF really doesn't mean much. And telling someone that is what they are, a person who hasn't paid into the platform is not an insult, it is a fact.
And well, my plan is not horrible, it has worked in variations for companies I know for over a decade. Really and truly, it is an extension of the games industry and movie industry ratings system meets Renderosity. So, maybe it is horrible for people who don't like the idea that they might have to give up a little freedom when it tramples on the freedoms of others. I can't quite see why this is terrible, except to people who can only think of themselves and not of the needs of every individual who uses the platform. And I mean every individual - because my plan does not say "unverifieds have to pay" - it prevents rezzing of inappropriate content via a ratings system. it is completely foolish to throw out the rating system SL has had for years. Why should we take that advice from a majority of people who have never paid for SL? I'm not. My plan also doesn't say adult content must go away either. It allows for adult content - it just say we have to rate. It doesn't say unverifieds can't go there. They still can. Actually, I don't see how you can stop them, once you have a more open system. You can't stop it on the 2d internet and it won't stop on the 3d internet either. The real issue for those corps and edus who don't like SL is that they can't have adult content in their sims and need to stop it completely from showing up at all, and they can't get their kids under 13 here due to the COPPA laws, and their 16-19 year old age groups in high school and freshman colleges are usually split between two grids. Yet they still want links to the main and teen grids. The shocking fact is that over 50 percent of the games industry is for 7 years old and up, with around a quarter for 12 and up. Adult games comprise a tiny bit of the market. Whoever positions for the part that LL can't service is going to pwn. End. And if I may make a prediction - Ursula will very likely be as overpriced and empty as Bay City and Nautilus, while the real adult industry in SL is still housed on private sims. How did this solve anything except cut off your customers? Because yanno, I don't see it Darien.
I just want to second DanielRavenNest Noe's comment. Without a list of search terms, it's impossible to know whether or not one has been incorrectly caught in the filter.
Activities which are frankly adult and most activities which are PG aren't the ones that would be impacted by not knowing. It's people in the moderate middle who would find the lack of guidance to be a problem. Brenda, if you term is on the filter, and you try to use it in a non-adult ad, it will tell you and not let you place the ad. there's no getting caught unaware. You will know.
And Hypatia, I really don't see what 7 year olds, and games have to do with anything. Second Life is a Platform, not a game, and it's for adults, not kids. None of that is applicable. We are already giving up a little freedom, so I don't see what you are going on about. NPIOF's can still do everything they've ever done, they are eliminated at all. Convoluting this issue with straw men doesn't help anything. And in case anyone didn't actually read what this JIRA is for, it's for reporting items that get flagged that shouldn't, not to debate the changes at all. There are plenty of places to do that. it says "adult content filtering" problems.
I consider the whole current "adult content filtering" system a problem Second Life is a platform that is marketed to educational organisations, and it has the Teen Grid. Those are kids. Some of those edus have kids under 12 - I have seen some in Opensim as well. They get the standalone for their network because they can't be here because of COPPA. Darien, LL knows this, and you're obfuscating the truth. It is a platform, yes - so is Cryengine 2, and so is Opensim for that matter. And you can make a game with all of them Many governments consider Second Life to be a game. It hasn't quite grown up to be a "platform" for more than gaming (well, in SL's case its a sandbox game and roleplaying) yet. I'd like it to be, but it's not. Am I pushing it to be more of a platform? Yes, I am. And no, NPIOF's can't all verify in foreign countries - or why else would there be two thousand signatures on that other JIRA? Many have reasons for not liking age verification. I hate to say it, but I have seen it in Germany, you will have no customers behind the age verification wall. Mark my words - because it's happened here already. Think I don't know what I am talking about? Better think again another issue, when getting straight onto the word filters, these words seem to be an issue also for vendors that are in the "search all" with descriptions. I don't just use descriptions in classifieds, and I reckon most don't.
Seems like we can get caught in the filters pretty easily by accident. It's disturbing. The following keywords from the list aren't necessarly tied to sexual activities, or nudity hence i demand them to be removed from the list:
-------------------------------------------- Asphyxiation: Can't be considered a strictly sexual/adult topic (drowning in a pool or roleplaying to drown in a pool is an adult activity?) Bondage: Can't be considered an activity automatically involving sex or nudity (rope bondage is a visual art form wich does not require any sexual activity or nudity to be performed) Fetish: Can't be considered an activity automatically involving sex or nudity (usually it's actually the opposite) Ponygirl/Ponyplay : Can't be considered an activity automatically involving sex or nudity, it is a roleplay where one or more persons play being a pony, wich has nothing to do with sex. Submissive/Masochism/Masochist/Sadism/Sadist: are generic adjectives unrelated to being PG or not. Slave: Is such a broad subject it can't be flagged as mature (so a memorial of the black slavery become flagged mature? nonsense) Updated Filter List as of 03 May 09, as determined by testing against Client 1.23RC0 and by using SL website search page
Hey All,
Daniel posted a list of words, and like the ones on the wiki, I had to take it down. Daniel - maybe you could post a link to the website that Lord Sullivan has created and point people to that. Sorry for the inconvenience Blondin Thanks Blondin
and the adult keyword list is at http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Adult_Content_Keywords for those that wish to continue to help to compile it. This wiki will remain in place now on our servers to document this and other historical changes in SL and for those that wish to use a wiki outside of SL and related to SL The term "ladyboy" does not belong in the adult-oriented content filter list. It does not indicate sexual practices or services. It is simply a term for female persons born in male bodies who adopt female conventions of appearance and female social roles. Please take "ladyboy" off the list.
I am not posting this objection from any kind of general anti-filtering agenda. My bias is generally in favor of filtering and separating content. I think terms that are predominantly focussed upon sexual fetishes are defensibly flagged or filtered, provided that there is recourse for persons or groups who are wrongfully filtered, as with the breast cancer example . In general I am in favor of LL's efforts to create one environment for content that is explicitly sexual and pretty wild, and another environment that is more protected, dignified, and comfortable to educational institutions, agencies, nonprofits, and other potential major clients who can expand the uses and the cultural life of SL. "Ladyboy" just plain does not belong in the filtered content list. Please see I it is so easy to see that keyword filtering is not working by design.
I cross read http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Adult_Content_Keywords
So if you use keyword filtering, it is not for the reason it is pretending, for keyword filtering obviously and verify-able does not work for the purpose it is pretending to be installed for. Tits are also very common songbirds in Europe (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tits
This is a JOKE!
My photography studio is now flagged as "Adult" because i say in the description that i do escort portfolios? I'm a photographer in real life, my business in Second Life will be VAT registered within the next month and a legitimate business registered in the UK. If this is the kind of disneyland attitude Linden Labs is going to take then thats fine, i won't be VAT registering and i'll take my business to another Virtual World place like mycosm or Blue Mars. Linden Labs is playing with the search system, all the while they are HURTING REAL LIFE businesses. I own the O BDSM School, which it seems the filtering assumes is adult.
In actuality we seek to dispel myths about the lifestyle and teach people to be responsible and look after their emotional safety. We have a strict no-nudity policy and nothing that we teach has ANY adult content. The BDSM lifestyle is NOT all about sex and violence, which is what we seek to teach. To classify it as such is to similar to saying Sex Education in schools is about pornography, which it obviously isn't. Yet in Real Life teens have sex education in school in the hope they will turn into responsible adults. Why is a responsible educational establishment that seeks to teach people about a lifestyle choice and in a non-sexual manner being penalised for it's name? Yes what we teach is aimed at a mature audience, but most it's most definately NOT adult. RAPE needs to be taken off the list. Apparently LL's doesn't care about RL rape victims who come to SL to seek Rape Support Groups. STRIPPER needs to be removed from the list, as it as been clearly stated already that Strip-Clubs without sex-balls or back-rooms were Mature, not Adults.
BDSM is a sexual orientation and lifestyle that goes much further than sex and the word BDSM should not be adult filtered, would you flag "Gay" just because the majority of people are Hetero ? Submissive, Dominitrixx and Domme should not be adult-filtered for the same reason. Dungeon is a general term that should not be flagged, are players of the Dungeons&Dragons game having adult activities now ??? Erotic should not be in the list, Jack Linden stated clearly that Erotic Art was mature and not Adult material. Do not confuse erotism and pornography, please, we're at the 21th Century not at the Victorian Era. The whole list of filtered words smells like ostracism against people having different lifestyle and include many words that are not directly related to sex or violence, and the concept of being not able to use some common words in the public announcements of mature events a blatant breach of freedom of speech. Do we have to call for the First Amendement to see our rights as citizen respected in this world ? IMHO, The best thing to do would be to drop completely this idea of word filtering that is flawed and arbitrary to the core and to let people flag their parcels by themselves according to content, and to have verified by the adult Team the mature places that use those words to see if the content is effectively mature. As many of the words that are filtered can be used in a more innocent context why not assign a score/weighting to each and block results based on their total score.
That way Freebie Dungeon (an innocent freebie place) wouldn't be blocked but somewhere thats "Free Sex Dungeon" would. Using a scoring system will better suit although it's still far from ideal as some of the words that are being filtered simply shouldn't be. Not only that you've missed a load of the REALLY offensive stuff from being filtered and seem to have mostly filtered stuff that's borderline mature/adult. I suggest "breast" be filtered but "breast cancer" not. same for have "rape" filtered and "rape support" and similar support words not.
Dungeon should only be filtered in combination with other adult words, there are many uses of this word which are not adult. Thank you for the suggestions for how to improve the filtering and relevancy. We are definitely working on refining this system and your comments here have been taken into account.
In the meantime, if there are specific parcels or ads that are being blocked by the Adult filter that are not actually adult content, please list them as examples in this JIRA to help us refine the filtering. What isnt clear is difference between art as in something like goya or da vinci whic is considered only PG by the general public. I wasnt required to be adult to go public art museum that displayed classic nude sculpture or paintings only needed parental concent. The images were just bodys, no sexual actions. What isnt clear is art that is just naked body Mature vs art that some may consider explicit? As of this time no one has commented to me about what I sell.
According to Blondin Lindens office hour yesterday, it is not planned to publish an official keyword list by the Lindens. But somebody can be ARed, if there are any adult keywords in the profile, because the profile has to be PG. So, how to know, what is allowed in the profile?
Most things have been said one way or another above by others. But a few more things that leave me completely and utterly puzzled:
Why does it filter out stuff with the exact same keyword if you don't have the respective 'rating' clicked? We've tested it last night and it really makes no sense that you search a word XYZ with only adult or only mature enabled (because that's what you expect it to be according to your understanding of the rating) and you don't find it cause the region is rated different than what you thought it would be - does it come down to guessing-games now if the place you search is one or the other? As well, why is it that you sometimes get 'sorry this word does fall under the age verifying, see more info here' while other times (and both in random order) it simply tells you 'no match found.' - That's just horrible. It should have the info on the age-verifying REGARDLESS. My own business in SL (static photoposes) has nothing to do with any other form of 'adult' activity and falls well into the 'mature' category, and you won't find one single naked person on my ads or anything indicating sex/violence. Nevertheless it would be filtered because of key-words I used in the classified (like amongst other ones bdsm, fetish, bondage art - as my work would very well cater to people searching for a softer and more artful approach of these topics, I am obviously interested to have the keywords in even if it is not the main-focus of everything I create). Oh and very last, I am not sure if this fits in this tread but I haven't found another one yet, this effects xStreet: And to sum up the whole bizzare-ness of the 'adult filtering'... you have to be 18 (which means adult) to be allowed to use SL. Please keep this in mind as well. Somebody who does not want to see 'sex and fucking and violence' is unlikely to type the terms 'sex and fucking and violence' into search. People who claim they don't wanna see it and search for it regardlessly don't need 'protection' in my eyes or what did they expect to find really.. ;-P Why is dungeon still a filtered word? A dungeon is an element of a building, often part of castles. Dungeon is not a kink or a lifestyle fetish. It's absurd that an element of some buildings is filtered.
Right now, I can make a sentence of unfiltered keywords that would make a sailor blush, but I cannot search for a dungeon without being verified. How exactly is anything being cleaned up when plenty of bad words get a pass, and things like dungeons and escorts (remember that was also the name of a CAR) get flagged? Contextual search needs to be implemented. It should have been before the adult changes were made. hows about this
split the "adult only" keywords into Might Filter then assign a number of points to each category say 2 points for might 4 points for could and 12 points for Will filter then trigger the block if the post/ad/parcel goes above say 10 points and have a LL level tool to credit a parcel with a number of points to allow an overide (so that a parcel that is normally 11 points could be given a bonus of say 3 points making it now 9 points and not blocked) in this case dungeon would be on the might filter list (legit reasons to have one not for sex ect) CONTEXT NEEDED FOR CORRECT DECISIONS I have a fetish mall located at Pak 29,81,117. I think I've filtered the renters, the content and parcel name/description such that it shouldn't now be flagged adult but still is. Why? (Yes - that's a support question... the response of ticket 4051-6610943 said to post it here)
I believe that my land has been incorrectly identified as adult. I own an art gallery with art made in second life with my avatar, NOT photo realistic, it's obviously digital art. I also use 3d programs to make art. My art depicts tasteful nudes, non pornographic, non violence, and not photographs. I do not wish to move after I have spent weeks finding a location that I like, and arranging my entire gallery. I assume the issue is my keywords, but since I can't find the list of what keywords are banned, I am in the same boat as everyone else on this discussion.
I have rated my land Mature, as it is suitable for those over 18. However, as long as these things are kept private, I see no reason why what people do in their own walls should be my business. I like the idea that I read somewhere to make the walls secure. Give everyone privacy like in real life, what I do in my own home is my business and what my neighbors do in their homes is their business. As far as business owners go, if there is a clear description of what the business is, as in my case an art studio depicting tasful nudes, then why shouldn't people be able to visit it if they wish? Are there not nudes in public museums where children go in real life? Granted mine is more erotic, but it still does not qualify as adult. I want ask because "domina" is filtrated word and "sex" no... i have mi disco club who is called SL Domina disco club like a real popular italian club ... never for adult ( because in italian Domina dont mean never of porn) my club, my wedding place, my shopping center... and before too my playground who have keep show only in adult search... and dont much ppl go in adult search for found a romantic place for do a wedding... of only for shopping... in case of my club in rl called domina because on top of noe mountain and "domina" the valley under... ask if is possible change filter for this word because cause a serius damage to my island who is based only on live music and wedding ceremony... cand change name because must of populatity of club is because is the domina and all italian guys who listen hardstyle know the domina... but only for music... ok hope who someone understand what i mean ... sorry for my bad english
I run a shop in Pak.
I have deadultisized the land description by not using words that are filtered by the adult search filter - which is a really time consuming pain in the ass job! Still LL is rating it as adult and not able to tell me why, nor is LL able to give any further assistance, safe to advice not to use certain words they are not able to tell. This is a support question of ticket 4051-6736763. Matthew Linden asked me to support detailed information here and closed the ticket. Detailed information: Please see also: VWR-15300 and SVC-4199 As this is issue is affecting business as well as LL threatens with stopping service but still charging as well as as LL imposes account restrictions, I raise the priority of this issue to critical. (following jira priority rating rules) @ISItheDreaMakeR Teskat
Its too bad, but LL is not only discriminating Italians with the adult filter. I tried to explain this in my 2 other jira topics about content filtering (I also tried to explain this in advance in the discussions - e.g. with Blondin Linden) Mo, you got a typo or two in your last comment
is "deatultisized" the correct way to spell that word, or is that even a word at all?
for that meaning I would expect it to be spelled with a D isntead of T, "deadultisized" instead of "deatultisized"
My apologies but I read a post by DanielRavenNest Noe where he states he has uploaded content in 3 files ". Part 1 is words found to be filtered using 1.23RC0 or website search page. Part 2 is words which are NOT filtered when tried. Part 3 is notes on how variations from the exact tested words are handled."
1st. I am logged in However, I do not see attachments whatsoever, and I am really looking for list that defines what words are acceptable under PG and which are considered Mature. "As we've also often said, PG regions are areas where you'd feel free to say and do things that you'd be comfortable saying and doing in front of your grandmother" I have a very liberal grandmother, so, most the things I would say such as .. that a$$hole just said... well i'm sure you get my general idea, but I would completely feel free on saying that in front of her. LOL Anyhow, but to my question where are the attachments? and would love a list of words. Thank you! Toby, See Blondin Linden's somment about the middle of the comments, Basicly that have removed the know words from the Jira and from the Second life Blog and Wiki
but See http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Adult_Content_Keywords This will screw everything up. The whole "adult keyword" thing will limit what people can put in their land descriptions, thus acting as a form of censorship. In addition, having a separate continent for adult content will make people think that Second Life is just full of porn. Plus, this will limit what people can do in "non-adult" areas, like Linden owned sandboxes.
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It is backwards to have people creating search entries with no idea if a given term will be filtered or not except by trial and error. It would be much better to have a starting point that says "these words or phrases will get your item flagged as adult".
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03May09 EDIT: Since Linden Labs declines to provide a filter list, I have uploaded a collaboratively developed list. It is attachment 2 above. Part 1 is words found to be filtered using 1.23RC0 or website search page. Part 2 is words which are NOT filtered when tried. Part 3 is notes on how variations from the exact tested words are handled.
My best guess is this list is about 90% complete.