Land is group rez restricted
Owner/group member is not online/in sim/nearby.

I have done tests in two sims, doing the following:

1. Rez object that rezzes other objects on touch
2. Have friend click object, triggering touch_start, calling llRezObject()
3. Log off

If the land is not rez restricted to group, the object continues to rez new objects everytime it is clicked.

4. Edit plot, uncheck "Create Objects: 'All Residents'"
5. Have friend continue to click object
6. Log off

At this point, the object ceases to rez objects, however it will start again if either I, or another AV in the land group, logs on.

I have a a sim that is group owned where I'm the group owner. I have a reef on that sim and use various fish there including Tropical Free Swimmers by Supa Shang. I use both temp fish as well as normal primmed fish with a short (typical 5 minute) life-cycle to not litter the grid.

But as soon as I log off SL, the fish stop rezzing.

Some of the marine life I've built myself and can work around it - the workaround is to deed the objects to the group, but some (such as Supa's fish) is a problem as they cannot be deeded - they are copy but not transfer - which is understandable else his business may not do as well as it is.

Of course this problem is not limited to Supa's fish, any commercial objects that rez temp prims will fail (apart from the few full permissions that can be deeded), there must therefore be hundreds or thousands of products failing to work in SL because of this.

I find this quite a serious issue, and not just because it affects me. There must be thousands of group-owned parcels out there that have this issue. Probably most of them have never noticed their sims stop working once they log-off as they are off.

On top of that it makes SL a dull place, if my fish aren't rezzing, visitors swim in an dead reef. I don't think that's what I'm investing my time, money, and effort to build content in SL for.

Please fix this serious bug ASAP.

seems like the sim can't lookup the avatar data unless that data has been downloaded to the sim by the Avatar having been there, and this includes the groups the avatar is a member of.

Testing various group settings on the various objects this is interfering with, will be posting more later.

Also, is there a better category besides Misc to stick this issue in so it might get looked at a little more closely? It appears to be a problem with llRezObject not working at all when I, the object in question's owner, is offline. Online status would be a server issue, though llRezObject is a script issue? Seeing comments dating back to last year is troublesome...

I own the sim, I own the group the land is deeded to. The content that is being affected is brand new, from various creators. Some of it I have made myself. Others I have had for years. After setting the land to no build (No to All Users and No to Group, for security reasons) all content is now affected the same way.

Objects set to any group (anything from the group the land is deeded to, to no group at all) will work as long as I'm online.

If the object is deeded to the group the land is deeded to, the object works whether or not I'm online. That is fine and all, however deeding my expensive content (all of it not copiable) to a large group with a varied staff is not an option for me.

Why is an object's ability to rez being linked to the object owner's online status in the first place? If I wanted that, I'd have used LSL to do it.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Burning%20Life%20(Zone)/34/22/25

I can't deed my object to the BL group, so can't work around it that way. Damned if I'm gonna deed it anyway; it's a very complex set of scripts.

It's also affecting a friend who makes a coffee machine that rezzes a coffee cup.

It's insidious in that it's only detectable by the customers or clients of the author/builder after the fact. Something seems to work just fine, and then.. doesn't.. and then, when one logs back in...

Using groups to workaround, as Elpis Oh points out, is not always feasible.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Burning%20Life%20(Zone)/38/68/25

This functionality is simply broken. I'd expect at least a shout on DEBUG_CHANNEL, but nothing...

I haven't tested this for a while now, so unless they have patched it, it is an issue, and a serious one for some businesses. I'm pretty sure its not working as i have some trees that drop coconuts affected by this, and I was told just last week the way some friends know I'm online is when the coconuts start falling on their heads ... and no LL ... that's not a feature its a bug.

For instance, the popular multiplayer game DmC rezzes cards for each person playing, go to any place that has this game on group owned land with 'Create Objects' for group only, you will see that the cards rez despite the owner of the game being offline.

This issue only exists for objects that where the owner is in a a role that has "Always allow 'Create Objects'" ability and the object needs this ability to override the parcel options and rez objects.

That's still a bug.

I just know my coconuts stop falling on people when I'm off and most of my reef dies (before I made my own sculpted fish - which live through this- I bought some of Supa Shangs and they have this problem - you can see Supa complaining in this Jira about it too - I think it's after I gave him hell about his fish dying when i log off).

However setting the ability to create objects based on group roles is critical when you have really busy regions and large groups. In fact one would think its the preferred and 'correct' way to set-up regions and groups - so that you have a fine granularity of control if/when you need it.

This issue came by and bit me last night. For the first time I had an object that others needed to be able to click on and rez things. In this case it is a Intan dance ball. (Really cool!) I found out that it didn't work when I was offline. I found it so incredible that I spent like 2 hours testing various things out.
Here is the setup:
1. Land has Create objects turned off for both everyone and group.
2. The group that owns the land does have create object rights under the abilities area and I am a member of a role that has those rights.
3. The central area of the sim is a different parcel, group create objects in the land options is turned on there.
4. The dance ball is set to me as the owner and the land group as far as the group.
5. The Intan dance ball rezzes dance balls, so it will need to create objects.

I thought everything was fine, so you can imagine my surprise when I was told it didn't work. By the time I finished testing I had found that indeed the group permissions were being ignored when I was offline. I had to move the dance machine to the central area to allow it to work.

This problem has to be causing some people some real headaches. Most of them will be people with exhibitions or entertainment areas. This problem should receive a little of attention due to the wide variety of affected users. I feel it probably should have a critical status. This isn't a cosmetic issue, it is an issue that affects business in SL and the ability to create that we hold so dear.

Here is the code:
default
{
state_entry()

touch_start(integer total_number)

}

How to use:
1. rez a prim, call it test or whatever.
2. Create another prim called something. (really, it has to be the word "something")
3. put that prim in the first prim's contents.
4. create a new script in the first prim.
5. Replace the code of the default script it created with the above code.
6. make sure that all prims have their groups set to the lands group
7. click the box, the prim from the contents should rez 2m above the first prim.
8. delete the freshly rezed prim
9. log off
10. sign in with an alt or have a friend that is NOT a group member with rez rights click the box
11. the prim stored in the first prim will not rez this time.

"Silently fails if you don't have offline building rights on the land. Which means that you need to either: Own the land yourself. Be in the group that owns it, and the allow group to build parcel flag has to be enabled. Or everyone should be allowed to build. You can also deed the object to the group that owns the land, this will always work."

This differers from the text in the group rights screen: (per DevilFish Men's website)

"Members with this Ability can create objects on a group-owned parcel, even if it's turned off in About Land > Options tab."

This is a bit of ambiguity that does need to be addressed. Personally I think the LSL Portal is incomplete, but LL will have to comment on this.

A related problem: if the land allows group to build, but the object is not set to the land's group, it rezzes things only if the owner is nearby. (How near, I don't know, but TPing to a different sim makes it fail to rez.)

I don't think the behavior of the object should change based on the presense or absense of the owner. This sure makes it hard for owners to figure out whether they've set things up properly for visitors.

I have had Linden come and look at it... It IS an SL bug... with no fix for it yet... so PLEASE everyone vote on this issue so that Linden can get it fixed. The more votes the quicker it will get done.

With my rezzer I can not deed it to group as it muct remain as me as the owner.