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Key: SVC-305
Type: Meta Issue Meta Issue
Status: Reopened Reopened
Priority: Major Major
Assignee: Unassigned
Reporter: WarKirby Magojiro
Votes: 5
Watchers: 2
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2. Second Life Service - SVC

Meta-Issue: Unpopular changes

Created: 11/Jun/07 11:37 PM   Updated: 21/Jun/09 11:37 AM
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This meta issue iis designed to gather various issues or complaints about a change to SL that is unpopular, and the majority of people would like to see reverted to how it was, or changed in some other way.

Please note this is not for bugs, but rather new features or changes that are behaving as intended. But where that behaviour is simply unpopular.

I've seen a few of these, so some links will follow..



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Gordon Wendt added a comment - 12/Jun/07 11:28 AM
not an actual bug or issue though I do like the irony of taking it to JIRA since the lindens have closed or ignore all other outlets of feedback.

Aimee Congrejo added a comment - 12/Jun/07 12:24 PM
Torley, should this stay closed or be reopened? It kinda fits with the other meta-issues floating around: SVC-241 VWR-864 SVC-301 VWR-923 SVC-267

WarKirby Magojiro added a comment - 12/Jun/07 03:58 PM
Torley Linden has expressed support for Meta Issues to gather links to other issues in a category, to coordinate community efforts.

That's exactly what this is. This is not an attack on anyone, and there's nothign Ironic about it.

It's designed to collate issues about unpopular changes which people would like reverted. nothign more.

please don't close my issues unless you have a real reason to do so.


SuezanneC Baskerville added a comment - 13/Jun/07 04:59 AM
Merging of threads that concern totally unrelated ideas renders voting separately for the ideas impossible.

Suppose that a person strongly supports one of the ideas, but vehemently opposes another of the unrelated ideas included in the merged issue.

There is no way for this person to express such a set of views by voting for the merged issue.

Further, it eliminates the ability of the voting system to illuminate relative support by comparing vote totals for distinct issues.

These distinct proposals should be unmerged, the issues that people created should be repopened and left to gather support on their separate merits, as their separate authors intended, and an end made to the unwise and senseless practice of merging unrelated issues that concern distinct ideas together.


Torley Linden added a comment - 13/Jun/07 08:41 AM
For those not familiar, Meta-Issues make it easier to track related issues. They aren't in themselves likely to be resolved as a whole. (And it's true someone could start a wiki page or some other resource functioning as a "link list.)

I encourage specific themes which are actionable – see the other Meta-Issues which Aimee linked to (thanks Aimee!).

In this specific case, I encourage research being done on why some behavior changed. E.g., I know Search lost functionality like Places auto-populating with Linden Locations due to database load... it isn't very likely to be re-enabled again. Or, how we used to be able to get a landmark for a place without needing to teleport there, which was removed in 1.6 due to changing of the map coordinate system, and isn't so non-trivial to re-implement... some oldbies may remember the context surrounding VWR-479.

"Unpopular" alone isn't good criteria. Perhaps "Requests for feature behavior reversion" is more meaningful than "Change it back!" too.

What is also very useful are details of how a feature used to be, because we have many new Residents not familiar with prior history, and informing them would help them make better-educated decisions.

So, I'd say it's OK for this to stay open, but please do provide more info which would better structure what could fit in here, to keep it useful and un-vague.


Lex Neva added a comment - 13/Jun/07 10:08 AM
Suzanne, I think maybe you might have a misconception about what this issue is here for. It's just to help people find these other issues. It's not intended to REPLACE them at all... it's just that sometimes it's easy for issues to get hidden in the pile of over 1000 JIRA issues that we have so far. The individual issues linked here are still open, and the links are listed as "relates to", not "is duplicated by". So all this issue does is try to relate some issues under a common thread.

Haravikk Mistral added a comment - 13/Jun/07 02:56 PM
Added (SVC-264) as I've been unable to find why (if indeed there was a why, it may in fact be a bug) avatars when sitting on phantom objects no longer become phantom themselves. It doesn't seem like it could be a performance reason as phantom objects cause less strain on the physics engine.

Very annoying as well as it means that a phantom rail-car can hurl people out of its way, when it was made phantom to try and avoid that =(
It may not be realistic to have my railcars going through people, but the path they follow also has pedestrian walkway around it so it seems pointless that just because someone strayed onto the track that the car should hurl them away or cause all kinds of other as yet unknown problems with a phantom vehicle!


WarKirby Magojiro added a comment - 14/Jun/07 11:46 AM
Made the title less dramatic. As per Torley's advice.

And This issue is designed only to collate links to issues of the similar theme. It is not really intended to be voted on, or resolved.


Haravikk Mistral added a comment - 24/Oct/07 05:34 AM
Added: SVC-404 = This change to groups is incredibly annoying and was done without warning or justification.

zinbaco kattun added a comment - 13/Apr/08 01:09 AM
as this is supposed to be linking all unpopular changes together - I don't see a a link to the remove the release key - VWR-4541