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Key: SVC-1507
Type: Bug Bug
Status: Reopened Reopened
Priority: Critical Critical
Assignee: Unassigned
Reporter: Honey Fairweather
Votes: 398
Watchers: 37
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2. Second Life Service - SVC

Notices failing for groups

Created: 07/Mar/07 07:34 AM   Updated: Sunday 08:32 PM
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Component/s: Groups, Simulation
Affects Version/s: 1.19.0 Server, 1.24 Server, 1.25 Server, 1.26 Server, 1.27 Server
Fix Version/s: None

Environment: All platforms/hardware as far as known. Server problem.
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Linden Lab Issue ID: DEV-20882
Linden Lab Internal Branch: maintenance-5


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Continued breakdowns in group notice popup functionality

I run a medium-large group called Fashion Consolidated which has become a vital resource for in-world commerce an ever-growing list of vendors (currently 160) and buyers (currently 570, increasing 10-20 per day). Many vendors report significantly increased sales via this group, so its importance for Linden should be high. The reason for this bug report is the serious problems with notices that are very seriously affecting group performance and utility. Many vendors from my group have submitted individual reports to support, but as the focus and owner of the group, I would like to submit a request for high-priority consideration of this group, whose existence is threatened by this.

Problem:

Very often a notice submitted by an authorised group member will not appear (popup) for the group's members.

Steps to reproduce:

1. Click Notices tab in group
2. Click Create New Notice
3. Prepare, attach and send
4. Very often no notice popup occurs for any group member, although it clearly appears in the notice archive.

Reproducability:

Unpredictable, but feedback I am receiving and personal experience teaches me "often" - perhaps 50%+ of the time. Many vendors have submitting the same notice multiple times with little success, as evidenced by my group's archive.

As far as can be ascertained, this appears to be an all or nothing failure: the popup gets to all members, or none. It's therefore likely to be a server problem, not viewer.

Partial fix:

Sometimes the following black-magic formula seems to help some senders:
1. Clear cache and relog
2. Teleport
3. Remove all HUDs and unnecessary attachments, even clothing
4. Attempt resend

Clearly this isn't a reasonable solution for two reasons:

  • Simply to send a notice, this is wildly excessive effort.
  • For a handful of avatars this doesn't work. I have at least 3 designers who cannot send popups not matter what they do, and some have resorted to using alts, others given up. No predictable pattern as to why this so seriously affects some av's and not others has yet been found.

Possibly relevant details:

This problem isn't isolated to my own group, but because of my group's size and notice frequency, it's a stand-out. It seems to occur with larger groups, my own currently home to 570 users and growing. It appears that any group over a certain size may be subject to this bug, which clearly isn't a viable outcome for Second Life: group functionality must scale.

Also of note but possibly not relevant is the number of people sending notices: currently 160 are authorised to, and well over 100 are doing so regularly.

Dependence of the problem on the occupancy level/busyness of the group is undetermined - no clear relationship.

Conclusion:

Although this problem is clearly recognised by residents in other large groups, I would be very happy for my group to be used as a focus for this generalised problem, and happy to interact with support directly, as my group depends so strongly on notice functionality. I would hope that close examination of notice performance in my Fashion Consolidated group would help debugging the problem across the grid.

Some members have reported to me that on contacting Online Help they have simply been advised that this problem occurs with "too large a group" and given no impression that this is being resolved. As the SL population continues to grow, this clearly needs to be fixed at high priority, as group functionality is vital to community cohesion. I spoke with Robin Linden at her get-together and she indicated that she wasn't aware of this problem and would follow it up.

Thanks for your time,
Honey Fairweather



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Torley Linden made changes - 08/Mar/07 05:52 PM
Field Original Value New Value
Linden Lab Issue ID RT#650671 SL-22270, RT#650671
Priority Major [ 3 ] Critical [ 2 ]
InProgress Linden made changes - 30/Apr/07 11:53 AM
Assignee InProgress Linden [ InProgress Linden ]
WorkingOnIt Linden made changes - 30/Apr/07 12:01 PM
Assignee InProgress Linden [ InProgress Linden ] WorkingOnIt Linden [ WorkingOnIt Linden ]
WorkingOnIt Linden made changes - 01/May/07 10:28 AM
Status Open [ 1 ] In Progress [ 3 ]
WorkingOnIt Linden made changes - 07/May/07 10:01 AM
Link This issue is duplicated by MISC-161 [ MISC-161 ]
WorkingOnIt Linden made changes - 21/May/07 12:42 PM
Resolution Fixed [ 1 ]
Status In Progress [ 3 ] Resolved [ 5 ]
Bibi Book made changes - 22/May/07 01:17 AM
Resolution Fixed [ 1 ]
Status Resolved [ 5 ] Reopened [ 4 ]
WorkingOnIt Linden made changes - 29/May/07 10:32 AM
Link This issue is related to by MISC-222 [ MISC-222 ]
Aimee Congrejo made changes - 07/Jun/07 09:04 AM
Link This issue is related to by SVC-267 [ SVC-267 ]
Torley Linden made changes - 07/Jun/07 11:12 AM
Link This issue Relates to VWR-513 [ VWR-513 ]
Torley Linden made changes - 29/Jun/07 10:16 AM
Comment [ Bibi, thanks for taking the time to keep track of this and share your details. We should really get diverse responses from more Residents though -- I haven't had more luck seeing failures myself. On a couple test accounts, I've received every single Live Music Enthusiasts group notice that was sent out during at least the last week.

General state right now seems to be that group notices are "better" than they were before, but some failure cases. We might want to have a larger communication project to overhaul this, group IMs, friends list, and other social/communication features that are having problems. ]
Rob Linden made changes - 30/Jun/07 10:15 PM
Workflow jira [ 10421 ] jira-clone [ 12880 ]
Rob Linden made changes - 30/Jun/07 10:19 PM
Workflow jira-clone [ 12880 ] jira [ 13231 ]
Celierra Darling made changes - 07/Jul/07 03:36 PM
Linden Lab Issue ID SL-22270, RT#650671 SL-22270
oryx tempel made changes - 09/Jul/07 12:38 PM
Link This issue is related to by MISC-387 [ MISC-387 ]
Rob Linden made changes - 21/Dec/07 11:12 PM
Workflow jira [ 13231 ] jira-2007-12-19 [ 18273 ]
Rob Linden made changes - 22/Dec/07 12:41 AM
Workflow jira-2007-12-19 [ 18273 ] jira-2007-12-21 [ 19927 ]
Rob Linden made changes - 23/Dec/07 01:03 AM
Workflow jira-2007-12-21 [ 19927 ] jira-2007-12-22a [ 50217 ]
Rob Linden made changes - 21/Jan/08 05:46 PM
Linden Lab Issue ID SL-22270 DEV-2887
Torley Linden made changes - 11/Feb/08 08:00 AM
Project 4. Second Life Misc Issues - MISC [ 10000 ] 2. Second Life Service - SVC [ 10002 ]
Key MISC-37 SVC-1507
Component/s Miscellaneous [ 10036 ]
Component/s Simulation [ 10042 ]
Torley Linden made changes - 11/Feb/08 08:00 AM
Summary Continued breakdowns in group notice popup functionality Notices failing for large groups
Torley Linden made changes - 11/Feb/08 08:03 AM
Summary Notices failing for large groups Notices failing for larger groups
Torley Linden made changes - 11/Feb/08 08:03 AM
Link This issue Relates to SVC-1509 [ SVC-1509 ]
Seraph Linden made changes - 03/Mar/08 11:19 AM
Assignee WorkingOnIt Linden [ WorkingOnIt Linden ] Seraph Linden [ Seraph Linden ]
Rascal Ratelle made changes - 13/Mar/08 06:02 PM
Affects Version/s 1.19.0 Server [ 10250 ]
Seraph Linden made changes - 27/Mar/08 01:43 PM
Status Reopened [ 4 ] Fix Pending [ 10001 ]
Linden Lab Internal Branch maintenance-5
Hypatia Callisto made changes - 06/May/08 01:38 AM
Link This issue is related to by VWR-7083 [ VWR-7083 ]
kyle Linden made changes - 15/May/08 09:05 PM
Link This issue is related to by VWR-2950 [ VWR-2950 ]
Dilbert Dilweg made changes - 11/Jul/08 06:27 PM
Comment [ Well Now since Server 1.23.0.91708 rolling restarts all of our group notices fail. Not 1 person gets them now. It has completely shout it down on us. We have over 7,000 members and it doesn't work anymore. Before rolling restarts they worked for us. Now it is a failed system ]
Harleen Gretzky made changes - 21/Jul/08 06:53 PM
Link This issue is duplicated by MISC-1405 [ MISC-1405 ]
Kontor Jenkins made changes - 25/Jul/08 11:42 AM
Affects Version/s 1.23.1 Server [ 10343 ]
McCabe Maxsted made changes - 12/Aug/08 05:52 PM
Component/s Groups [ 10222 ]
McCabe Maxsted made changes - 13/Aug/08 07:25 PM
Link This issue is duplicated by VWR-6312 [ VWR-6312 ]
AnneMarie Alcott made changes - 14/Aug/08 05:42 PM
Status Fix Pending [ 10001 ] Reopened [ 4 ]
Kontor Jenkins made changes - 11/Sep/08 11:24 AM
Affects Version/s 1.24 Server [ 10351 ]
Affects Version/s 1.23.4 Server [ 10343 ]
Ramzi Linden made changes - 17/Oct/08 10:24 AM
Linden Lab Issue ID DEV-2887 DEV-20882
Sue Linden made changes - 13/Nov/08 12:07 PM
Workflow jira-2007-12-22a [ 50217 ] jira-2008-11-14 [ 81569 ]
Sue Linden made changes - 13/Nov/08 04:35 PM
Workflow jira-2008-11-14 [ 81569 ] jira-2008-11-14a [ 88523 ]
Kontor Jenkins made changes - 01/Mar/09 08:07 AM
Affects Version/s 1.25 Server [ 10380 ]
Seraph Linden made changes - 02/Mar/09 08:00 AM
Assignee Seraph Linden [ Seraph Linden ]
Ellla McMahon made changes - 08/Mar/09 11:26 AM
Link This issue is related to by VWR-12310 [ VWR-12310 ]
Ellla McMahon made changes - 02/May/09 06:40 PM
Link This issue is original of duplicate MISC-2738 [ MISC-2738 ]
Ellla McMahon made changes - 02/May/09 06:41 PM
Link This issue is related to by SVC-2832 [ SVC-2832 ]
Ellla McMahon made changes - 02/May/09 06:41 PM
Link This issue Relates to SVC-2832 [ SVC-2832 ]
Ellla McMahon made changes - 30/May/09 05:05 AM
Affects Version/s 1.26 Server [ 10420 ]
Ellla McMahon made changes - 30/May/09 05:05 AM
Link This issue is original of duplicate SVC-4256 [ SVC-4256 ]
Ellla McMahon made changes - 10/Jun/09 05:44 AM
Link This issue is original of duplicate SVC-4333 [ SVC-4333 ]
bau ur made changes - 21/Jun/09 04:47 AM
Comment [ Problem is getting worse! Now affects smaller and smaller groups!

LL needs to understand that this is a showstopper for activities that LL wants to happen here in order to attract RL business and academic customers. This problem is interfering sharply with almost everything I do. I think many of these are thing that LL likes people to be doing: giving classes in SL building and other skills, a literature discussion group, a science-related social issues discussion group, an English-as-a- foreign-language tutoring project, art and cultural events promotion, and Second Life Mentors (a group created and run by LL to help newcomers and increase the percentage of new users who stay in SL!).

I really think the priority should be Showstopper because there is no workaround, the problem keeps getting worse, it affects nearly everyone in SL, and it paralyzes projects and activities that affect the general cultural, social, and commercial life of SL.

]
EddyFragment Robonaught made changes - 11/Aug/09 01:14 PM
Affects Version/s 1.23.0 [ 10341 ]
Affects Version/s 1.24 Server [ 10351 ]
Affects Version/s 1.25 Server [ 10380 ]
Affects Version/s 1.26 Server [ 10420 ]
Priority Critical [ 2 ] Showstopper [ 1 ]
EddyFragment Robonaught made changes - 11/Aug/09 01:16 PM
Summary Notices failing for larger groups Notices failing for larger groups (and smaller)
EddyFragment Robonaught made changes - 11/Aug/09 01:20 PM
Priority Showstopper [ 1 ] Critical [ 2 ]
Harleen Gretzky made changes - 11/Aug/09 01:22 PM
Affects Version/s 1.27 Server [ 10460 ]
Affects Version/s 1.26 Server [ 10420 ]
Affects Version/s 1.25 Server [ 10380 ]
Affects Version/s 1.24 Server [ 10351 ]
Affects Version/s 1.23.0 [ 10341 ]
Baloo Uriza made changes - 20/Aug/09 01:56 PM
Summary Notices failing for larger groups (and smaller) Notices failing for groups
EddyFragment Robonaught made changes - 22/Nov/09 08:32 PM
Link This issue is related to by SVC-5070 [ SVC-5070 ]