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Liderc Dagger added a comment - 28/Oct/08 10:00 AM
You got my vote, this is daylight robbery and doesn't give me much faith in Linden Labs as a company.
Well, I will give my OS sims back then and log off for good. This is to much, you got my vote!
Everyone warn us to beware of companies like Linden if they deal with their customers like that after you purchased. If they put in voice on the votes of 150 people,
When thousands of others didn't want... Then perhaps if we can get more then 150 votes here... Which I think we will.. as there is 25 people and this only occured a day ago... They can see this is offending... As I wrote to XSL Forums... There goes my idea of owning 2 or 3 OS. That price increase kills any and all profits, infact for my plans would put me in the negative by quite a lot each month. I can't afford a full sim, and I don't want to try. So for the next year, any addition to my sim plans are out the window. LL is making a bad decision, it's only going to lose them potential money in the time they need it most, in a time when everyone is looking for cheap entertainment, these OS provide it. Heck I'd even suggest having more open sims in smaller dividents. I will not pay 500$ for the same as I'd be getting for a full prim sim, not including set up fees... I am so upset over this and you will not be getting any more sim purchases from myself or my partner for awhile to come. This is not the way to do business. People are looking for cheap entertainment, and this OS is what is provided. Give us a better alternative or face to lose a lot of money. You Have my vote also.. i hope this helps..
This is a dishonest and unethical decision, destroying the last bit of trust people had left for Linden Lab. It will give the development of good working open grid alternatives a big push. LL, wake up - or die.
An increase in price should be for providing any extra "stuff" necessary to support the sims as they are being used to provide better performance. THIS increase feels like LL making the CUSTOMER pay for a lapse in THEIR judgement. Which, isn't fair. I noted that SOME sims would be upgraded, but an across the board increase like this should be for PERFORMANCE increase, not just because someone made a mistake and now we all have to pay for it.
If you offer something to customers, there should be information going INTO it that states how much you can sell before you reach max usage. If you have 100 that can be serviced fully without bad impact, and you sell 300 - you know that won't work well. you shouldn't do it and then say OOoops and know that you will likely keep 1/3 of the 2/3 extra if you raise prices so you will be ahead money wise. I am not saying that IS what happened, that is what I am saying it certainly feels like. I only rent an OS but I will likely be getting rid of it. It isn't cost effective at the new prices to me. Sad really because i really like my landlord who was a fair business person and I know people like THAT are the ones getting the shaft in this. It was nice to non-urbanize some of SL. Hope this gets settled more amicably. Fredy Kyong - 28/Oct/08 10:14 AM - edited
Well, I will give my OS sims back then and log off for good. This is to much, you got my vote! Everyone warn us to beware of companies like Linden if they deal with their customers like that after you purchased. [ Show » ] Fredy Kyong - 28/Oct/08 10:14 AM - edited Well, I will give my OS sims back then and log off for good. This is to much, you got my vote! Everyone warn us to beware of companies like Linden if they deal with their customers like that after you purchased. i agree with this and will do the same .... and i vote Instead of just protesting this, shouldn't we be offering other solutions to the problem of overloading OS sims? Why would LL not do this if there is no other alternatives, regardless of the protests?
With todays economy its hard enough to pay for open sim prices now..and its going to go even higher
 Will have to walk away, from mine. You Have my Vote against raises prices! Raising costs of OS Sims is no solution for performance problems of these SIM clusters. The better way will be to limit the allowed avatars in OS Sims or limit the running scripts.
Lot of residents bought their SIMs on a long term base, calculating with the costs they expected when they bought them. Raising the costs in an acceptable level will be tolerated, but pushing the prices that way, will cause a lot of residents to give the SIMs back and leave SL. I highly recommend to discuss that new costs in your team again. It is not only the fact that some residents cannot pay the tier, LindenLab is going to destroy its reputation as a fair business partner with actions like these. If this goes through as is three of mine will be abandoned. I MAY convert four, but it's more likely I will abandon them.
Please consider this vote for this issue as a vote for implementing other alternatives for throttling use rather than increasing costs. Lower agent limits, lower prims, definitive scripting allowances, etc. For what it is worth I am voting for this... not that it will do any good...LL won't listen to this anymore than they will listen to the responses on the forum. I have lost every bit of respect that I once had for LL.
@Harleen Gretzky
Well, face it! Why people move to OS? Because full prim sims are still to expensive. Linden can offer just two sim types, how´s about that? 1. Full prim sims, full prims, full price Overloading OS sims are history then! But if a company does earn to less, what does this company do? Raise the prices of their products, very easy. I would like Linden would be more a democracy instead a dictatorship. Linden should pay attention to their customers BEFORE they announce news like that or decide on it! Let´s use the Login screen of the viewer and ask your customers what they think about. I know you can do this, LL Voted...for all the good it will do.
Gods I'm so disgusted right now. This is probably just the shake-down before they raise all the other rates. I wonder how many potential business partners will notice the pattern of bait and switch. Were the buying costs for open spaces deposited in a legal defense fund?
It's so sad that Linden doesn't seem to care how much many people with small budgets would like to invest in SL. Yes, there are technical issues too often and basics are fixed and broken over and over. Open spaces, however, increased the number of tier-paying clients and offered so many of us a home that meant a lot to us. How many people will buy regular land after this? It may be priced beyond your means in a month or few, with no notice after you put in so much time and effort. Is any mega-company promising to replace all of this at a better income for Linden? Really? You all just decreased the price in open sims, then you sign up tons of people, then you increase the price again. There is a term for that, its bait and switch, and is illegal.
Scream and shout we may, but so far the Lindens have ignored us when we complained about price rises, banning gambling, adding VAT or a countless number of other common sense practical requests. I dont hold out much hope here but I will add my vote in favor of asking for the Lindens to review their concept in the face of so much anger.
River Voted...Hope it helps. I don't want to lose my OS and I had hoped to buy 2 more.
I'm on a fixed income in rl...this HURTS LL need to confirm what the consider to be appropriate use and what they consider to be abuse. Penalize those who are using Openspace sims for malls or clubs not those who have them as a little home with little or no traffic.
Higher prices won't stop abusing the ressources (for those few that will keep their OS regions), it will do the opposite. "For that much money I will use it to the max!"
LL will kill Sailing in Second Life with this ridicuolus increase of price.
If the real reason for upping the cost on openspace sims is due to you hitting hard times in the recent global economic decline, then Linden Lab, just be honest and say so, users would understand this.
However if this is not your rationale and it is for the follwoing reason: "Lastly we will begin to proactively discuss overloaded Openspaces with their owners. This is important because as with abuse of region resources, a heavily overloaded Openspace can adversely affect other Openspaces sharing the same machine which is clearly unfair to residents who are using them responsibly. We have listened to your feedback on this, and agree that we need to make changes to better support our Openspace users by actively working to keep the performance levels as high as possible. We will also provide some detailed guidance about what 'overuse' looks like and how to prevent it." IF you have an abuse situation, then truly you need to focus on those users who have abused your openspace useage policy. This ist outstanding!
It's the most outstanding stupidity Linden has done within the years i've been inside SL. How should anyone get a planning to the future if LL goes and destructs any financial planing? Shal i really trust such business men handling their job like a self complacent monarch? Why are SIMowner using their SIM correctly punished with 66% more tier ? Sorry, Linden, this is BS bingo. Limit the maximum nuber of avatars on an os SIM, get some technical parameters to stop abuse... I have the firm believe the "abuse of os sims" is simply a faked fairy tale to get lot more money out of a successfull part of SL, because of refinancing problems resulting from the actual crisis. Well there goes our two open sims as well, we were doing good to make the current tiers. The best way to keep your customer base is to make them happy. This does not make me happy. I am sure it is not going to make the landlords of the sims happy either when everyone abandons their open sims.
YOu have my vote, nearly all of my friends run Real Estate Businesses enabling people to own land when tehy cant afford mainland sims or private islands. I also own 2 sims, this is all tooo unethical.
Not only well this cause a lot of people to abandon the openspace sims they are currently on, because LL wouldn't allow them to purchase an openspace with out owning a full sim, but estate owners are going to loose tremendously. I will be giving up the two openspace sims if this increase is implemented. I feel sorry for the large estate owners who are going to suffer more than myself.
I will stop to invest all my time in building, painting, animating and scripting for second life when I have to pay 50$ more for it each month. And I think there will be many more that think the same way. Mehr sog i net. Good night Second Life!
If you voted on this one, I would also recommend you vote on this one as well...
http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-1777 
It is for non profit This is absurd. If this is TRULY what is needed to happen, LL should offer some sort of buyback plan. Half my openspace sims we paid full price on ($475) and now we're being told tier is going to double. There is absolutely no sensible reason to keep an openspace seem at these prices, and I feel cheated out of the money paid for the setup/land. For the cost of 2 you can almost have a full sim now. LL is basically cleaning up their problem by forcing out anybody who has an openspace sim. I'd say about 70% of the people or more won't be able to keep them, and this is how LL will clear up their resource problems, while pocketing all the money paid to them on the setup/purchase.
I do not see how I can keep my OS sim. and because LL won't allow me to freely sell it, my only option is abandoning it. I cannot believe how punitive and unfair this policy is.
Unethical, quite possibly illegal, and most definitely countrproductive. If this is implemented, I will be giving up my openspace entirely. I can name three other people who are in exactly the same boat.
A much better solution would be to use the information on hand at LL and the server logs and actual data to pursue those people who are deliberately overusing the openspace sims by using them for lagged out commercial space, clubs, sex islands, etc. Those of us who have them for quiet enjoyment should not have to suffer because some people tried to work the system. If LL tries to implement this across the board instead of doing the correct thing and going after those who are abusing the resources, LEGITIMATELY, this will only end badly. My openspace has two residences, lots of trees, a waterfall, and more than 50% open water. There are rarely more than 3 people on the OS at one time, and USUALLY there are 0 people on it since it is exclusively used as a private residence. "Punishing" someone for taking advantage of a good value when it was presented is ludicrous. Go after the bad apples, not the rest of us. Also, in my opinion lowering the prim count or the equivalent script capacity of 1/4 of a standard sim is also an unacceptable solution, unless I can receive a refund for the setup fee that I paid to set up my openspace based on certain guidelines that were confirmed by Linden Lab. I used to own several sims, but saw Linden make one bad decision after another and actually seem to separate themselves from their customers making it harder and harder to interact on any level. This to me seemed "not quite right", a company selling and promoting social networking and then isolate themselves. I saw the writing on the wall and bailed out already. This new decision will just add another nail to the coffin.
I just got back from a 10 month break in SL. I was thrilled to see all the new changes and the coming ones that is currently in the release client.
But now they drop this bomb that well overrules all the positive things i have returned to. LL should also take a good talk with their legal department since this is as Skidz Tweak state: "Bait and switch" and that is indeed ILLEGAL! U got my vote! Seems like it should be possible to prevent "abuse" (i.e. people loading their OpenSpace sims to an extent that hurts the performance of the others on the same machine) by appropriate fiddling with the operating system or hypervisor or whatever. Talk to the techies, and put in CKRM policies or whatever to ensure that each sim process gets at least its fair share of the CPU. (If it's about disk access or network bandwidth rather than CPU, there are perhaps similar things that would let you do similar things for those.)
If this was done, and someone tried to put more onto an OpenSpace sim than their fair share, they'd get enormous lag (and their neighbors would see little or no impact). And then people would learn just what they can and can't do, rather than having to just sort of guess based on the ambiguous hints and changing prim limits that we have now. This would also help with the fact that OpenSpaces sims are turning out to require more than half of a full sim, rather than the one-quarter that was expected: use OS or hypervisor policies to limit them to one-quarter, and people will then be unable to get more resources than you can provide for what they're paying. If this has been tried or considered and failed, it would be very interesting to hear about it. It would reassure us that this isn't just a hasty decision, or driven by some unstated purpose. To raise the monthly fees so much is very unfair from LL to their customers. Maybe, Lindenlab should recall, that they get their money from their customers and not vice versa. I can understand that there must be a raise of Fees from time to time. Fair is something between 3-5 % per year. I would call this extortion.
Judy. I personally feel is just more BS from LL to raise prices....
In the time I have been here....I went from mainland, to estate land cause of VAT, then after paying 1650 for an island, it drop to 1000, then we got the "void" sims that everyone loved, and now this price increase. I only have a question, and excuse my english, since i've learned it with american teenagers...When are you people gonna stop fucking your clients? I guess my vote is clear at this point... This is not a bug, it does not need to be here, take it somewhere else. Closed.
You have my vote, stop robbery and give owners a refund !
they are crazy! if they do this then i will have to let my Sim go. I am a simple builder and it is nice to have a place to build at that isn't public.
Daten, this was not entered as a "bug". It was entered as a MISC issue.... new feature. Doi! ; )
So it's not "closed" dude. Let LL fight their own battles. If they don't like this here, they can handle it themselves, yeah? @Harleen: I have a question: how is increasing prices by $50 a month going to speed up their servers? It might make a bunch of sims shut down. But will it reduce concurrency on Second Life? You want alternatives and suggestions? How about they clamp down on the clubs and those using software to abuse Open Space Sim performance. I gotta question them presenting that increasing sim prices is going to improve the performance of Second Life overall. Only thing I can see is it possibly improving Linden Lab profits. Or if people get pissed off enough, maybe not. If they want Open Space Sims to perform better, I'd suggest two things: a cap on sim avatar concurrency (say, 20 people) and reducing the number of sims they're stacking on a server from 16 to half that. But increasing sim costs and ripping customers who invested and trusted in the company? NOT good company policy decisions. Just smells of secret agenda, know what I mean? What does increasing price have to do with overall grid performance? LOL. Daten, would you consider "Grid empty since LL screwed the people who built every bit of content in this world." a grave enough bug to warrant a report?
This So belongs here....weve been told its a performance problem that has caused this
You would think with the number of people closing sims as it is that LL wouldn't be stupid enough to drive the rest out. It's called Supply and Demand. In this economy the DEMAND for sims isn't high enough in relation to the SUPPLY to warrant these kind of price increases!
downgrading to major since it doesn't fit the criteria for showstopper. In terms of a former resolver just let them rant here. It's the wrong place and LL will ignore it here most likely but let them rant here until one of the Lindens gets tired of it and closes the issue.
Pushed up to showstopper again. If destroying the SL for thousands of people isn't a showstopper I have no idea what else would be.
If I might make a logical suggestion (i.e., atypical for Linden Lab), the solution is very obvious:
Create a new class of sims with 1/2 the resources of a normal region (7500 prims, two per server) for a bit more than 1/2 the price of a full region. This generates more cash for Linden Lab, creates affordable sims that can handle the sort of load OpenSpace regions get now, and provides a much more interesting resource for land lords, estate owners, etc. Lets break this down a bit...
"Educator discount is no longer available for Openspaces." "No Owner switching for Openspaces unless it's a full transfer of Payor." "Class 4 Openspaces will be upgraded to class 5 in January." I could go on, but it's fairly obvious just whats happening here. The cash cow is lactating less, so the cost of milk goes up. Which is understandable, but the bait-and-switch is so blatantly obvious its painful. And keep in mind, after the 1st when half the open space owners ditch their investment, those sims will not go away! LL will simply sell the space to another sucker. After all, they already have servers set up to handle those sims. Its a win/win for them, so don't expect these cries of outrage to be heeded. Its all about the bottom line. I personally think this is a shot in our arms, and a hard hit to the wallets of those whom in this economy have tried to do something, and now we can't do anything because we can't afford to. I for one maxed my card yesterday getting two more OS sims and was planning on moving my business a club to one of my new ones. Thanks SL for yet another kick in the teeth.......I almost feel like maybe they should have some government regulations so they can't screw us on a daily basis... But then again it's like who the hell can you trust anymore?
I am Just thankful that who I got my last two sims from is an upstanding person and is figureing ways to work with us. I may have lost my club that was finally beginning to do well but I kept something more important a friend I'd made.......Watch out LL may start trying to take those next. My OS lot is in Serena Estates, where we have had ZERO problems - when there is an issue or problem, the estate management team is on it IMMEDIATELY. So a 67% increase is not warranted - and we thought the OIL COMPANIES were gouging the consumer!!!
I just about had a company ready to move into Second Life when this announcement came out - there goes three months' efforts to no avail - the price increase killed the financials for the time being AND such a price increase has them in a panic over future liabilities. METAVERSE and THERE are back on the table after all my efforts to move them to Second Life - Way To Go, Linden Lab!!! A market leading firm, in the millions, just dropped SL from consideration with this price increase. The business plan was for 15-20 full sims within 2 years, with the initial OS sim to be administrative in nature after the pilot. This is Linden Labs sticking it to its customers again. I vote they are a bunch of thieves and are trying to chase off all island owners. Seems they have trouble building anything as pretty on mainland and are jealous of creators instead of embrassing them. This will be followed with an increase to 295 USD for olders sims - then an increase to 395.00 USD for ALL sims. We either stand together and fight or lose. I for one will dump all my open spaces when this rate increase comes along - and probably the last three full sims I have as well. LL does not care about the sim owners anymore than a vampire cares about its next meal.
This is completely and totally unethical, especially as SL is totally unsupported beta software that has zero stability. The company does NOT adress issues in a timely fasioh but rather for years has kept adding new bugs while ignoring bugs that are at least two years old and never have been adressed. If they want to raise prices fine, however they should not add any code or updates until it has been fully beta tested under full load for a period of six months per update and they should provide 24/7 phone and in world support for ALL users not just major landholders. What they offer now is not worth it.
i hope LL dont increase the rent on the open sims. i cant afford a full sim. first the 1 000 us$ dollars and then 25% VAT on that... hmmm 1 250 us$ to buy a sim? and then we got the monthly cost to run it 300 us$ i think... add 25% VAT to that.... sdo yeah i cant afford anything other then a open sim and now they want to ruin that to? SHAME ON YOU LL! dont let greed go over the need of your subscribers.
This policy is by far the most illogical and unethical decision LL has ever made.
First of all, the reasoning behind it- "abuse" of openspaces by using more resources- makes no sense. The history of SL has been users taking the tools of SL and extracting every bit of use, value, and creativity from it as possible. This has been done with ever single tool in SL. If we take LL at face value, it means that they fundamentally do not understand SL. They SHOULD have seen the varied uses of openspaces when they implemented the price reductions, allowing single buying, and upped the prim count. There was intense discussion about this policy when it first came out, and near-unanimous agreement that the new openspaces would be used to their maximum, as that is a fundamental part of creative endeavor in SL. Given LL's infamous lack of understanding of its customers, the above scenario seems plausible- except for one thing. Instead of the ridiculous new changes, LL could have simply developed and implemented better resource management and limiting tools for openspaces. Reducing avatar limits on openspaces, or limiting the number of scripts that could be run come into mind. This is the obvious solution to this "problem," yet it wasn't even discussed. This leads me and many others to believe that the current policy's rationalization is an out right lie. The most obvious reason is that Openspaces are "too successful" as a product; people have flocked to them and away from mainland because they wonderfully suit user's needs in price vs. land size and prim use, and avoids the problems with ugly builds on mainland and renderlag from having adjacent sims all around a sim. The result is a devaluation of mainland; many parcels can be found for less than L$3 per meter- the equivalent of $600 for a full sim. Improving the mainland to make it competitive with openspaces was, and is, a good idea. However, now it seems that LL's tactic is to actually FORCE users out of openspaces by jacking up their prices by a ridiculous amount. This is attempted market manipulation by artificial means, by severely devaluing one product instead of improving others, or creating new ones. Major was probably a mistake since it is time sensitive, changing to critical. On the topic of what constitutes Showstopper from the descriptive text for showstopper (hover over the showstopper icon to see it or look at the properties for the showstopper image on a showstopper issue)
Showstopper - ONLY the most severe, confirmed issues which demand immediate attention from Linden Lab. For example, inability for many Residents to login. IMPORTANT: Abusing this setting will cause revocation of Issue Tracker access. If in doubt, mark "Critical" instead. I would say that this demands attention from Linden Labs but especially since they already have given the tools to do so and since this is not a bug such as nobody being able to logon which is what LL has repeatedly affirmed (I don't have them right now but I can probably find links for that if asked to back it up) is that it's only to be used for such huge things as nobody can logon or everyone's suddenly disconnecting for no reason and such. You got my vote but Linden Labs will not Listen they never do...they say one thing and do another..i have seen it so many times with them...they know people will not leave..some may but most stay and take the crap...this is the reason i sold my Island,they put Islands up to 1650 made it a mad rush now u can buy them for $1000..i rest my case
"This is a poor time for such a change with so many facing financial difficulties. Many businesses and individuals rely on open spaces currently due to inability to purchase the more expensive mainland or islands."
I SOOOOOO AGREE!!!!!!! This is a total disgrace........ It will ruin a lot of businesses, communities and with so many feeling the pinch with economics the way that they are ... now LL's want more of our money???? The number of people and communities that this will effect and SL will no longer be SL if this price inrease goes ahead. I have no problems with LL enforcing appropriate use of openspace sims. This is a completely valid issue. However if this is REALLY the issue, then enforcement is the solution. But to claim that it is necessary to drastically increase charges to all to handle abuses from a few is such an inappropriate reaction that it is both indefensible and unbelievable. I know its been said before, but to offer a great deal to bring in thousands of customers and then changing the terms after everyone is entrenched appears to be nothing but a cheap bait-and-switch scam.
How very disappointing. I hope that reason and integrity will prevail and this decision will be reversed. I had left SL for 2 years mainly because of issues like this. I came back with the intention of purchasing an open sim but with this outrageous price hike there is no way I will ever pay tier in SL again.
The US economy is already in the toilet and LL hikes prices to a point where purchasing a sim or open sim is made an unobtainable goal. Makes a whole lot of sense doesn't it. NOT!! Once again LL is shooting themselves in the foot and will end up losing more business than gaining. I'm not so sure I want to stick around and watch an already sinking ship go under. As second life tends to equal real life more and more, it is the question if it wasn't better to log off for a while and come back when LL has learned that it won't survive without their customers. In my opinion prices have already been ridiculous high so far for the little electronic lots called "sims".
But to be honest, most sims are far away from being beautiful. Malls and shops are to be found everywhere, sometimes even more than in RL, only to raise the load of money to feed Linden Labs. For their sim(s), some owners pay even more than they need for renting their RL flat. People whose currency is not the US$ face some currency fluctuations, already forcing them to pay more now, thanks to the worldwide financial crisis. More monthly fee (we talk of a PLUS of not less than 66.67 % !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) would force them to give up their sims next year latest. Shouldn't LL change their hostile attitude towards the sim owners who like to provide fun and entertainment for others and make SL vivid.... in other words: who in the end SUPPORT SL making it successful (!!!) and try to make it a place worth to log in, LL will face a mass shut down of sims. Most (open space) sim owners i know already told me they won't pay more because they CAN'T!! I also know people who logged off and won't come back, because they are fed up of the existing business, which will horribly increase to raise funds for the sim fee. I politely plead LL for thinking the matter over, to keep SL a place all can enjoy and will live on. To make it short: YOU GOT MY VOTE! .... i only hope it will help The stated fix (price increase) in no way fixes the issues (resource overuse of openspace sims) stated.
If anything it will forxce owners of opensims that do need to be profitable or at least lay off some costs to use more resources (vendors, cute scripty scenery, ect.) in order to generate revenue. Focus should be given to better monitoring at the clent level and accountability to the sim owners and publication of limits, the fact that LL havn't gone down that path leads me to believe that they always intended to use openspace owners to finance their server hardware purchases until they had a use for it and then take it away with somehting like this. Lindens,
The way you run Second Life would be the best way to run it .... if your aim was to make it die. I feel that you don't like your baby, which is a shame because it's a nice baby. I wonder why you Someday, a real competitor to SL will raise, and that day, you, Lindens, will be the LOSERS. I vote against that price raise, and i wish i could vote against human stupidity. LL has completely lost any shred of credibility or worthiness of respect. Actually happened slowly over the course of the last year but this seals it. I have no faith. I have no respect. I have no admiration for all the good that has been done. I have contempt for the obvious horrid business skills of this company. What a shame to watch it all just get flushed down the crapper. Tack another 40 or so votes from me and my groups onto this at least.
This is little more than a sham and an excuse for more money. I just want my home for the decent price it was at. I don't own openspace sims but I still don't think this is fair, I have a small business on 3/4 of a mainland sim and was perhaps going to add an openspace just so people could come and visit there and relax.
I guess that is now out of the question.....You have my vote. This pretty much dooms the notion of themed sim islands. Once they go, I'm gone, too.
If Linden Labs didn't want Openspaces to use the full number of prims that they are permitted to have then why did they provide the increase? You're going to upgrade the sims to class 5 to improve performance but you're still going to lecture sim owners regarding their use of the virtual land? If you can't support the product pull it from the shelves. I will not buy more land to replace an open sim, I will not return to the mainland as PRICE GOUGING by virtual realtors have spun the costs out of control.
I'll vote for this although at this point I have little faith in LL's interest in their users' opinions. I like how they state that these price increases and changes are being done in response to resident requests... Please prove those statements rather than just assuming that we accept them at face value. You have my vote all the way.
My attorney is reviewing documentation re: possible bait and switch. Will advise. What LL do is the best way to stop. We need to stop having land if they will set this prices. And i think many more People also.We hope LL will think a little bit and do the right . They bring to many is not ok. I think about the new Casinos in last time.
A 66% increase in cost is astronomical and in most business it is unheard of! Basically Linden will be putting many people out of their second ife homes.
It will most likely result in fewer people using second life due to not being able to afford it at all... very sad news. I too leave my 'comfort zone" this is a crazy proposal not truely the solution rise cost but find system solutions
This is plain greedy and unfair. This will reorient SL from small builders, creators and organizations and put it in the hands of rich individuals and organizations whose sole focus is on profit. Unlike so many individuals that just want a small revenue for so much creativity and time. Plain big company greedines... I am so disapointed on Linden Labs shortsightedness and plain old style greed.
SL has grown thanks to the users that create content, due to nonprofit organizations and creative people who find in SL a way to vent their creativity. You have my vote. scammed by Sl im abandoning my 26 open space sims in protest
My personal opinion, as well as many of the other's on SL who owns OpenSims, is voting no to this increase. And why I would vote no is basically because of this: Everyone is aware of the economy crisis we are facing right now. Raising money for open sims on SL is like raising taxes on middle class people. In a time where money is needed the most, you can't just force people to pay more money, or you will lose them. Losing people and having those who own OpenSims to close will cause SL to lose income. Income that, Linden Labs knows, needs to keep their own servers up. I vote no on raising the ammount!
This is daylight robbery, you have my vote too.
I wish to protest this increase and loss of benefit to non profits and education!
There are other avenues to per sue prior to a drastic price increase such as this. Why are the Lindens so diminished in the upper management decision making? This is a poor time for such a change with so many facing financial difficulties. Many businesses and individuals rely on open spaces currently due to inability to purchase the more expensive mainland or islands. This increase will cause Linden Labs a huge loss of business and the people responsible should seriously re-evaluate this situation. I encourage others to vote on this issue if they feel the same and I thank the Lindens for their time and understanding as to why this upsets myself and others. Thank you. OS have 1/4 of resource, who bought it know well, setup a server to limit in hard way a process to use no more of 1/4 of cpu core is a work of 5 minutes, the reason showed are unusefull and ironic.
I was just finishing up the work on my open space sim when I got word of this last night.
My sim is in the United Sailing SIms, about 140 sims, many of which are open space. The people who pay for these sims make no money from them - they are open navigable water for general public use. Some of these sims are 100% open water, many have islands on them, but even then the majority of the sim is water. So, how many of these sims will be open once the price increase goes into effect? My guess.... None. This will of course help to reduce network traffic, since there will be less people logging on. It also means that less people will be spending money. SL and land ownership is a luxury - not a necessity. In the current economic climate, I am amazed that anyone could actually suggest a massive price increase on a product such as this and still have a job. A much smarter solution would have been to simply eliminate the abusive misuse, limit avatars in these sims, and leave the rest of us alone and let us keep sending our payments. This will effect everybody. For example, since I do not know if my area will still exist in 2 months, I see no point in spending any more money on it. Since I don't know what the near future of SL is going to look like, I don't see the point of buying anything for my avatar. I may not get to use it. So, if people think that since they don't own open space, this won't effect them - they are wrong. Open space today..... tomorrow? Hmm... well let's see. If the OSS people bail, cash flow dwindles. Now, who's left to pick up the slack? LL - You really need to rethink and fix this, before it's too late. I am struggling now to keep my 3 regular sims and 1 openspace. This may be the nail in the coffin. Linden Labs has proven once again that they don't care about the people who struggle to make SL a great place. Shame on them.
Open space sims are not meant to handle heavy loads. Understood. Fair enough. But why punish all the people using them as open water or lovely islands round which to sail or fly? Punish those who use and abuse the system by all means. But this is such a bad way of dealing with the situation.
I have voted for this issue for a very simple reason:
It is not simply about the future of open spaces and it's 'legitimate use' (which i think is not supported by this issue) It is because this measure is one that does no good to the reputation of Linden Labs and their product. There are those who may argue similar things had happened in the past and the grid survived. Those people will also have to consider many customers have left because of these events. In the long run business and product reputation are necessary to keep Second Life up as a product name. You will simply have to be doing better than this. You got my vote, this is clearly financial robbery, we are paying enough as it is, LL lost some money in recent crisis that they want nto get back from our wallets?
shame on them... !!!!! You have my vote aswell. It is unbearable that LL wants us to pay the same for a class4 as a class 5.
LL just made OUR decisions easier. We were about to get two more sims. Now the decision is easy - we'll give up three of the existing four.
That'll help pay for the servers, I'm sure. At least this time we actually had prior notice. Or, how about using a server virtualisation technology like Xen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xen
- linux stack and open source) to place hard restraints around each void sim within the physical server box? That way anyone abusing their quarter sim is only hurting themselves. I have a beautiful little island on an openspace; I've put a lot of effort into making it a wonderful place to be. I follow the guidelines about keeping down the traffic. I don't use all the prims I could have. So why am I crying? Because I can barely afford the tier at current prices - and the 09 prices just announced tear away my dream. My words to the Lindens are very simple - "How dare you?!!"
It is therefore important to understand what these regions are. They are provided for light use only, not for building, living in, renting as homes or use for events. As a stretch of open water for boating or a scenic wooded area they are fine, but we do not advise more serious use than this and will not respond to performance issues reported should you not use them in this way.
Did anyone actually ever read what they are supposed to be for? You abuse a system, you should expect reaction. voted... in my eyes it is modern robber baron [Quote from wiki: They abused their positions by stopping passing merchant ships and demanding tolls without being authorized by the Holy Roman Emperor to do so.] nothing more to say
scandalous through and through,
Penalising the very people who serv SL and its many residents. We use land to create entertainment for LL, so they have more people to join in and visit. To have land we also pay membership to have this privilege, and still they continue to fleece us, using what is an already damaging outcome to all of us in RL. To make things fair and to perhaps validate the financial problems LL may "claim to suffer "? , how about all residents have to pay membership to be in SL, instead of roaming free. We all have rights, and LL is abusing them. LL should see this , that we as land owners provide for SL people. I ask that all should pay membership to be in SL, so we as land owners and as entertainment providers for SL community , It is us who continue to make SL what it is, for without us, they would not have a world to promote and continue in business. Sl help us to help you...introduce a fair sytem , where all must contribute to SL, by via some membership payment. We all pay it as land owners, so they must contribute something too. I'm not a computer person. I'm only here to play. I only understand what is explained to me. I'm just an SL user, like many other people here.
When LL increased the prim allowance on Open Space Sims, I was confused at first. Then, I naturally assumed they had made some kind of improvements, something technical, that I wouldn't understand. But... I'll say one thing. I certainly understand an unrealistic price increase. We've had our OS sim a little over a week. We haven't even opened it to the public yet. We had such plans... Having the island available to the public for their enjoyment... Now, who knows? Our sim is a part of the United Sailing Sims.. 140 in all. When I look out the window next year, will I see open water, boats sailing along peacefully, people out and about meeting other people? Somehow, I don't think so. I think that one by one all of these lovely sims will simply disappear... When people invest their hard earned cash in something like this, and then are faced with such an unrealistic tier increase, I think that many will reconsider being in SL. That should help a lot, right? Less people on the grid = less problems. Except for financially of course. But that will be LL's problem now, won't it? You most certainly have my vote. Bigjohn: "It is therefore important to understand what these regions are. They are provided for light use only, not for building, living in, renting as homes or use for events. As a stretch of open water for boating or a scenic wooded area they are fine, but we do not advise more serious use than this and will not respond to performance issues reported should you not use them in this way.
Did anyone actually ever read what they are supposed to be for? You abuse a system, you should expect reaction." ... Um. Did YOU read it? They do not ADVISE more serious use. And they will not respond to performance issues. "This is what the limits are, if you try to go over them you really have no right to complain" is what that says. I have a home on an Openspace that is more than half open water. Traffic is limited to 2-3 avatars a week. 99% of the time I am the only person on it, in my home. Scripts are kept very very low, prims are under the limit. I do not consider this outside the realm of "light use." Since "light use" guidelines were pretty much left to us to figure out except for the primmage – I agree that people who are abusing this (people putting in commercial installations, malls, clubs, sex islands, etc.) and maxing out the scripts and causing - surprise - PERFORMANCE PROBLEMS - for other people... they are the ones who should be handled, and they should be restricted on what they're doing. For the rest of us who are operating well under 1ms for scripts and far under 3750 prims so we can have a quiet private home with open water to use for boating or swimming LIKE "OPENSPACES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE USED FOR", this is a huge slap in the face. I'm not a rulebreaker, and I would have to guess that 95% of us aren't. I do not own land of any sort but I am with you guys on this. They are only going to be hurting themselves if they raise the costs. Even though I hold no land to my name I know this will affect me in a hard way if all my favorite places in SL start dissappearing.
I don't really see a problem with a company raising a price on one of its products. The market will decide if they continue to get business.
This is not a democracy, and we shouldn't be VOTING on this, really. A smart company will do surveys of price points to see the cost/benefit of an increase like this. Those that don't want to pay can always go and play with a sim on opengrid somewhere. Complaining about how the bad economy is a reason to not increase prices is a bit selfish - I mean the US dollar has taken a dive, but LL needs to pay for everything in US dollars themselves (pay for servers, pay their staff, etc.) Actually, considering inflation, opensim tiers are probably going to be about the same price that they were two years ago AND LL is upgrading the openspace sims from Class 4 to class 5. Of course, I don't want to pay more, but talk of driving non-profits and educators out of business is silly. Thay can live off of donations and tax money, but this doesn't mean that LL needs to be an unwitting donor to any particualr cause by giving discounted products to them. So i think what it really comes down to is prims. A full sim costs a certain amount and gives you a certain number of prims. An openspace sim costs a certain amount and you get a different number of prims. What is the cost PER PRIM in each case? With the huge rise in the price of an openspace is LL now price-gouging?
And in reality the "excessive load" they talk about is caused not by the way ppl use the sim but by BAD DESIGN. SL has an appaulingly inefficient architecture that needs vast cpu/memory/network resources to do even the simplest of operations. If they actually architected the system decently they could easily support 10x the load and significantly lower costs for all. And yes i am talking from experience of similar designs. Basically we are being asked to subsidize a crap design that doesnt scale. Heh, well, I dunno about anyone else, but from what I've been seeing the last few years, LL's been trying their hardest to destroy SL, with frivalous rules, deliberately vague and broad clauses in the TOS, tanking performance and rising land prices.
I think it's time for a revolution. SL needs proper management for a change, people who know how to make SL a better place and actually WANT to make that happen. People who've been here from the start (or close to it), and have seen every up and down in SL's history, and can learn from the mistakes and failures of the past. This is the only way SecondLife can survive. Vive la Revolucion! Shame on you Lindens!
What's next? Charging Fees to have a Business? Charging for Inventory? Charging for TP's? Charging to go to "certain nice areas" of the Grid? Where's Google to buy those arses and spank them? er .. Ruck? "I mean the US dollar has taken a dive"
On which planet? For anyone in Europe, SL is becoming more expensive by the day because of the strength of the US$. "The market will decide if they continue to get business. " We ARE the market If it isnt bad enough we here in America are getting the shaft real time with everything going, now our second life where we all come to enjoy a break from the insane real time world is giving us the shaft too? My Husband and I are already paying for a tier payment not to mention how much money we are putting into lindens to buy items to help make our second life avs look thier best. We if we have to increase our Monthly payments for our Tier we might as well just turn it back in and say forget it. I would much rather spend all the money that we are in game on our avs then on land. Why punish those of us that didnt abuse the system? It also doesnt make any sense to me why such an increase at all. I mean if you think about it how many people in SL have multiple accounts? So how can the Lindens be hurting when every day I log into seeing the notice stating how many people are online around the world? Linden Labs also get free advertising through all the different news channels that have stories pertaining to SL, as well as U Tube has tons of things about SL users and thier SL fun. Linden labs raiseing prices on the little sims but yet we see many of folks having all sorts of problems all the time. Why not fix the servers and the viewers so that more people can come play or stay to play instead of punish all the folks that are already paying $300.00 if not more a month for this "Free" chat?
How come Lindens so effectively shoots themselves in the foot all the time? Our group will almost certainly not be able to keep our open space sims. That will be a loss of $150 a month to Lindens. Multiply it by all the other open space sims owners in SL who can't afford the increase and Lindens will lose bucket loads of money. Guess they will look to finding other ways to replace it and lose bucket loads again.
I am glad they are going to go after those abusing OS - but what constitutes abuse?? They need to come up with a number, a measurement. Tell us what it is and we will monitor it ourselves. Don't treat us like mushrooms and keep us in the dark and shovel us bulls..t only to step on us like this.
bug reported = Linden enticed people to convert their parcels into void sim purchase ($250 plus $75/month) and then touted massive land growth across the press. Landowners eager to get more waterfront converted their full sims to voids and bought more and more (paying conversion fees or new purchase fees). Now LL wants to "jack-up" prices or defeature sims so they are more profitable for LL to run.
Suggested Solution = eat your own mistakes, buy more servers and fix SL architecture. Solve this Problem
1) Offer Free Converssion to Full Sims from 4 Open Sims 2) Offer a refund for those that have 3 or less Open Sims 3) Offer Open sims with less functionality for same Cost 4) Offer Open Sims With better functionality at New Cost so they are worth the New cost 5) take Open Sims off the Market completely. 6) Use a Meter to track Use and Misuse of open Sims on New Client you are Developing. Post to the Community what the Correct usage is and How to achieve this. I have Started a Group with Many estate Owners to come up with solutions to this issue Could it be the Linden Lab Executives are so upset that they didn't receive their portion of the $700 billion bailout that they feel it necessary to create their OWN bailout plan? As much as Second Life is an entity within itself, it mirrors real life more and more each passing day. Quite a novel idea to punish the masses for the misbehavior of a few. The sad part is there are so many honest people on SL who have formed deep, emotional friendships and relationships and have devoted much personal time and expense to make this a wonderful place to exist. In this time of economic financial uncertainty it seems absurd that such an increase in fees should even be considered given the fact it does absolutely nothing to address the problem.
Unfortunately, as it seems in real life, if the government (being the Lindens) feels it is in THEIR best interest to increase fees, no amount of voting will stem that. However....for those that believe one vote will make a difference....you have mine. So according to the blog the primary reason they are raising the price is abuse of the lightweight openspace sim model. ok ...
1. So "good" users like myself are being taxed to support the bad users. Er what? Clearly linden more interested in bait and switch revenue increases. Yet another case of them treating their customers like scum. "instead of making our cars less prone to explosions, lets make them more expensive so less people can afford to complain about it"
<.< Increase of price by approx 40% with no increase in benefits, resulting in loss of OS throughout SL as Owners & Estates can't afford the upkeep & lose tenants.
Loss of business and loss of income from loss of these OS will result in a massive slide in SL economy that will match & possibly surpass the current US economy freefall. How soon before LL says, oh look, we lost revenue, so let's go take it out of the hides of the remaining residents & business owners? How long Then let's also talk about the numerous US Military Deployed families who were enjoying having an affordable option where deployed spouses You have my vote against this travesty. I'm totally disgusted by LL's announcement.
I bought an open sim, purely to hangout, without the ugliness of all the crap people build on mainland. My response will be to abandon my open sim just before the prices rise, I refuse to pay $50 more. As a UK resident, I already got alot less $USD for my £GBP this year, add to this a further $50USD increase (plus VAT). Nah it's crap value for money, my money would be best spent on something else. I won't be buying any mainland, I will be homeless. LL will ultimately lose out, the people are voting here now, but ultimately we'll be closing our wallets and tightening our purse strings, giving LL nothing. SL is a luxury for me, During this time of global recession, I did set aside $75 for the maintenance of my OS home. A rise to $125 is just not possible for me to swallow during this economic climate....LL you definitely won't be gaining an extra $50 a month from me, however, you WILL definitely be losing $75 a month though. You'll also lose my my next years premium membership and the year after that and the year after that and so on. We bought an OS sim a few months ago, are using it for low-prim parkland, another full sim paid to move themselves adjacent, and now, we're being told to pay more per month, and make LESS use of what we're to pay MORE for? If SL is unhappy with for-profit land uses, they should just ban for-profit land use. i'll be more than happy to submit 3 months of my transaction history to show that we are NOT making a profit by over-using what we've paid for. I do not know if I'm going to keep or sell my OS, or, my full sim, for that matter, as I'd bet that LL's next little announcement will be a tier hike on those as well. I'm sure this vote won't sway them, they are (and they're fully entitled to be) a for-profit entity, and their legalese in the ToS undoubtedly says they have the right to do anything they want to at any time. But having seen them devalue my full sim by 500 bucks last round, now having them jack my OS tier up 67% is really the last straw. I will sink no more money into SL, and will assume that I'm just going to enjoy my main sim as long as donations cover its cost, then shut it down and either float freely in SL, or find another place to spend my leisure time, attention, and money.
This is a technical issue. As such there should be technical solutions.
Except that they knew in mid april that the open sims were not playing well with Havok 4 They still kept selling them And now they want to dig deeper financially ... and oh yeah they claim this produces a technical solution ... Here's the rest of it .... LL has lost all hope of having any respect or trust from me. My money is now tightly pocketed ... and I am clearly open to suggestions from other parties. What I tell people is this: If LL is involved, they should only participate with the idea that LL will find a way to rip them off. And yes ... even the commercial entities have to notice it now. Well entities that don't have their own rip-off plans. I'm off to move some of my eggs out of the SL basket.. And those eggs I was pushing toward the SL basket ... eh ... No way now!! This will never Work Jack and M and whoever else was behind it Its to late you already sold thosands of the open space islands Trying to rip off the peopel and scam us out of more money now will not work. The worlds economy is crashing and you think people can aford to pay almost double monthly for the same exact thing ? You wrong and you need to be fired, I've been in SL since before you were a Linden jack and ever since you became one all you ever do is screw up. Well maybe i need to kill my two OS , they want to get our money but dont go to make the sims better . And why pay more for the same , they dont go to give us more prims ot better work too . LL forget something , its OUR world , without us here they will be nothing .Voted !!!!
I can hardly afford my SL experience as it is. I'm just making the tier on my parcels in a private estate. I donate to the owner of the OS sim where I RP as much as I can. And okay, yes, it's not just "open" space, but neither is it overloaded with prims. We pay strict attention to the prim limits. And rarely are there more than a dozen people there, usually more like half a dozen.
Roleplay in SL is my main form of entertainment. Thank you, Linden Labs, for taking that away from me. Thank you for being aware of the hardships settling on the world. This enormous jump is not justified & is just a way of gouging your consumers. Maybe you should change your name to Exxon; they play the same game, neh? Although I'm sure you must have considered this, I feel enjoined to point out... the fewer consumers buying lindens & stuff here, the less money your content creators & merchants make, is this not so? And the less they make, the less you will ultimately make. So in effect, you are robbing Peter to pay Paul. Have fun. The logons are just about to drop precipitously as disposable income dries up anyway. 0.0 Eejits! OMG, M.Linden really is a noob. I thougt it was just the picture
fscking morons. i read the first page here and already estimate
a 200-300 Sim loss a 50-ish people with future sims at $75 a month (worst case for LL) Nice little addup on openspace usage... I bought my sim back when the prices were $1675.00 and they dropped the price of the sims to $1000.00 totally screwing me if I want to sell my sim,I will lose money. There has to be some way Lindens can't just make changes to us thats going to screw their loyal users. If they are going to make changes it shouldnt effect the people who have already been using Second Life. They already charge us monthly for something we already purchased. Now they want to raise the original rates of the monthly sim fee. This is Totally wrong and unfair. I don't own a open sim. I own a private sim. How long til they start charging me more? The way Linden charges us loyal users is getting out of hand.
On top of that, theres nothing we can do about it, when we download a new version of the game we have to select we agree to these terms weather we do or not. If I dont agree I cant get into the game where I have property and renters. So I am forced to agree to terms I'm not ok with. You cant tell me Lindens is hurting for money. They get 300.00 a month from me to do maintenence.. what exactly do they do? I'm getting fed up with the way they are running things. I bought an openspace SIM and pay tier on it for low prim sailing and hang out purposes. I run it at less than 50% of the prim maximums, run script loads consistently below 0.8ms total load. Average number of people is 0.3 peak 15 maybe once every two months. Who are those people? Why, they are people sailing through. No rentals, no markets, just plain fun. How much lighter can that be? I'm being penalized with a 66% rise because I freaking CONFORMED with an already marginal situation? Come January if this ridiculous price rise happens, I'll back out of this bad faith change and cancel my OS SIM.And, Lindens, you have stolen $200 from me. Pay me back now.
In the fantasy continent, you will lose at least 10 OS SIMs. The counterminious regions will be broken up into separate islands and all the work elf circle, the Isles of Wyrm, and The Faery Crossing and several affiliate SIMs put forth to create a viable loving unified community will have been torn asunder by your onerous and unethical business decision. FInally, I have to say this plainly and clearly: you folks are incompent systems developers. You have no notion of quality of service in your day to day operations, you have no idea how to meet service level agreeements, and you are quick to blame your customers as abusers when in fact, as evidenced by the many critical JIRA bugs opened more more than a year, you show no ability to fix major functional and performance bugs. Now your response is to shed capacity and do it in the most egregious way possible. Shame on you! If Linden had to increase the tier because of rising cost:
1. They dont manage their cost well, ruined their finanacial balance and anything will go down the drain anyway !! I resident at a community of 8 open sims and nobody will keep them longer! And this will happen all over SL. Linden is about to ruin their own business.
Additional, if rent/buy land will be too expensive as it will get, it makes no sense anymore to keep a premium account. I will cancel it. Additional my small business here would get expensive too. And no private land needs to be paid anymore. So i also will close down business too. If this will happen, SL will not be attractive any longer to me. There seems to be a lot of friction about abusing being the issue yet being addressed last in the solution. So I propose the following that can also bring in more money without punishing those using the current OS regions properly:
1. Install fines for overusage after setting more specific usage limitations on OS sims. Graduate the fines for repeat offenders. ... so you would have something like:
3. Mandatory upgrade of island types after a certain number of overusage fines ... you can even charge for the upgrade. Can this be a proposal? It seems like something that can adequately punish those overloading your systems while allowing you to keep the current system in place for those using it properly. Stop this next Business-Release-Candidate, time to make professional strategic business in future
People need to stop saying over using the open space sims or abusing them as its not possible to over use a sim you can't go beond its limiatation this is justLL BS they are putting in peoles heads
This just goes to show what criminals work for Linden Lab.
I don't buy these excuses for raising prices. Overloaded sims are allowed by your server code. Simple solution - fix your server code to limit this from happening. Maybe it would be smarter to host 12 open space sims on one server instead of overloading it with 16 sims. That is an LL problem, not a customer problem. Don't punish us for your shortcomings. I vote against this price increase because my sponsor will probably drop all of his open space sims when you implement this. That includes my sim. Don't do it.
The price of everything else is going down, oil, gas, milk, food... and while the rest of the world slashes prices LL jacks them up higher. I was planning to buy two openspace sims in December, and a third one in January.
Guess what, I won't do it. Ok If linden labs want the LIGHT use, they take the Hard way, because much people are no only return theys opensim but the are going to cancel account, Linden should be proud of that.
mine openspaces are going returned as soon this month ends you got my vote as well, for me it is simple robbery. i do not own an open sim but i rent a part of one and it is already hard to pay the rent and that would get me broke. I will pass the link to everyone i know to send a vote..
One would assume that Linden labs has the resources to be able to discern what each Sim is being used for by the number and type of objects present. it would be relatively simple to then go to the suspect Sims and demand the owner comply with the intended purpose, or the sim will be reverted or the Rate increased to reflect the actual use.
I do know there is abuse going on from what i have seen personally, and it makes me angry that I can not do the same thing on a personal open Sim as they are doing, which is building a residence for an avatar. Just the fact that the Sim isn't being used to make a profit does not make it a non-profit by definition. If it did then my FULL Sim would be one because i have not made a profit there since I bought it over a year ago. LOL I am voting for this issue based on the moral and ethical implication of such an increase for educational and religious, non profit use. They should be given some discount, as long as the sim is NOT being utilized for anything else but promoting that organization. I have to say that imposing a 66.6% price increase on existing openspace sim owners is both ludicrous and exploitative. Increasing from 75USD to 125USD is substantial and unfair, and I question how legitimate the explanations given really are. This will put many current owners at risk for no longer being afford their openspace sims.
I am sorry that your Land Sales division has misjudged how open sims would be utilized, but that is your fault Linden Labs. The current owners should not be the ones forced to be held accountable simply because they utilize the land you sold. I find it almost criminal that you are going to no longer honor the 75USD per month charge giving in the original contract under which you sold to your buyers for the open sims...due to mistakes that were made from your end Linden Labs. At a minimum, existing openspace sim owners should be grandfathered in at the current rate of 75USD per month tier service charge, and changes thereafter should be made for new customers. Voted!
If people shouldn't use the prim-count on the OS, then why on earth set it that high in the first place? You've got my vote....this will force me to give up my 1/4 OS and sell strictly on Xstreet, which I'm not looking forward to having just spent a week and a half on a building designed specifically for that 1/4 OS....LL PLEASE reconsider this, you will lose a LOT of customers and those that stay will have very little faith in the future direction of SL...
This claim of 'abuse' is classic manufacturing of consent. It is BS, and speaks to a techincal issue of lack of competency. Also, this problem has been known for some time. Take a look at http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-2219
to see the thread which started last April. This problem is occuring in FULL SIMs too. What I see is a desperate attempt to scale back in capacity using economic means in lieu of technical capability. Well guys, I'm of two minds of this...
1. I understand LL's reason for doing this, and if you guys stop to think about it, it makes sense. I'm a full sim private region owner, and last night started seriously thinking about buying an OS. Today I get told of this issue with OS's. The reason they're doing this is the same source of my dire fustration trying to sell land on my sim.... people constantly say "Why would I want to buy your 4096m2 for L$$ price, when I can get the same 937 prim but on a 1/4 sim" yadda yadda yadda. Its a nitemare, but because of those "people" (keeping it PG) it has made my life as a sim owner trying to sell land a living horror. So good on ya LL! Raise those prices across the board... the only people I've seen here on this topic are those who are actually using the OS for what it was meant for, and what I wanted it for.... light use 2. I also understand your guys' opinion.... I want an OS for just my 2 girlfriends and I to have a little shack on the corner of the sim and the rest of the OS just a big water play area.... some ramps, couple of jetski's etc and have fun, but now with the raise in prices, even if I buy now at $250 and get 2 months of only $75 per month, it'll still raise up to whatever per month and I cannot justify spending that kind of money for a sim that will generate no revenue to cover the tier costs to LL. I wish it weren't so, we've been talking about it a lot the last week and really want it now that our main sim is paying for itself (mostly) but.... its just too expensive for us, and we don't want to be punished because of those jerks who use heavy loads on the OS's and try to rip off the full private regions. So, when you guys are in here complaining, try to look at it from both sides... LL is having some heavy loads on their servers meant for light use, so the only way to keep them from constantly crashing is to naturally provide more support (albiet sometimes crappy support) and keep them running, which means they need more money off of those... On the same note though, it is unfair to those of us who would use it for the purpose they were designed to be punished. Thats all I've got, thanks! I suspect that LL may be in financial trouble and this is an act of desperation - what else would explain the unethical stupidity.
DO NOT KEEP LARGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY IN WORLD !!! Use Paypal and transfer in as needed - start pushing your renters into paying direct by Paypal. This is Linden Lab biting the hand that feeds it yet again, how many fingers do they have to bite off before they are put down, hopefully when they see the drop of money coming in they will do something about it and not lie and say this is something that had to be done, they may think that this will force others to buy full sims and not go with open space sims, I hope when they see the number of open space sims drop more then 80% and the number of new fulls sims not move an inch, they will see there mistake and bring back the right prices and make a public apology and will make up for there mistake in some way. If not . . . To Second Life, you where fun while it lasted i'm surry to see you die off for good.
Another thing that this will bring is the higher prices on items in second life, store owners will bring up there prices to that they can keep the Open Space sims. If the price goes up, I will no longer pay for the OS I am renting. Linden Labs, why do you hate us so much? I wonder how long till we start getting news of L$ devalorizating cause people are desperate trying to sell it afraid SL's economy will burst <.<
LL is NOT in financial trouble.
They get an ASSLOAD of money in from sims. This is just extortion. In 1/2 day this entry has already got the 2nd most votes of all JIRA items.
The #1 (at the moment) is a request for more groups, and the #3 (at the moment) is a call for action on content theft. And I'm not surprised that none of the top three issues – the three most important issues to the entire user base – have a Linden assigned to them. I have only seen Linden Labs digging their own grave for quite a while now, with all their updates, that only gets worse and worse, and then they wine about recidents leaving SL....i mean they created such a fantastic world here for pll to enjoy themselfs and feel free, why destroy that by letting pll down. They bite themselfs in the ass with all this.. i have nothing against the way things are now... and changing it means my goodbye to Second Life as we know it...so if Linden Labs don't wanna see their buisness go down the drain and just think that they do get their money anyway nomatter where it comes from, they should damn well open up their eyes, and make the improvements in second life else where...like for an example...we don't all have the super computer that they keep setting second life up to running..... if they go through with this...the next time i see second life, will be at it's funeral...laughing my ass off...
LL is extorting us
That is breaking U.S law This is just scandalous. Nothing more to add... Where's the fun to play ? At this price, I think I'll spend a nice week end irl once a month instead of one month on Second Life...
You most definitely got my vote! An increase from 75$ to 125$... Try that in RL and you end up in jail for ransacking!
Completely ridiculous...just a blatant sham for more money by LL...you have my vote!!
increase of tier due performances decreased caused by abuse on opensim...
well, simulator run on linux, as Linden staff say on blog and other site... http://linux.die.net/man/5/limits.conf writing a simple file and creating a user for every simulator istance (on quadr core, 16 OS, from "sim0" to "sim15" as name of users on linuxbox) a dumb can edit a file and limit in hard mode CPU consumption, memory consumption and other per user, in this way if somebody abuse him OS sim don't affect other... if the reason are really poor performances due abuser... this solution solve the trouble and no price increase necessary... if somebody abuse of owned OS only abuser suffer performances near to 0, other OS go fine... PS: paying 75usd or 125usd the power of CPU don't change, startup fee are abnormal (but | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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OpenSpace Sim Prices SHOULD NOT Be Going Up! VOTE To Stop This ridiculous increase!
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