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Key: MISC-1728
Type: Bug Bug
Status: Resolved Resolved
Resolution: Fixed
Priority: Major Major
Assignee: WorkingOnIt Linden
Reporter: Mimika Oh
Votes: 35
Watchers: 26
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4. Second Life Misc Issues - MISC

Many prims have turned into pumpkins

Created: 21/Oct/08 01:08 PM   Updated: 12/Jan/09 03:24 AM
Component/s: Miscellaneous
Affects Version/s: None
Fix Version/s: None

File Attachments: None
Image Attachments:

1. DSC_00314 DFW sim4131.jpg
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2. JackOLantern Sculpt.jpg
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3. JackOLantern Texture.jpg
(177 kB)

4. ogped.jpg
(395 kB)

5. orange_goo_attack_victim.jpg
(148 kB)

6. Pumpkin head.jpg
(17 kB)

7. Pumpkin.jpg
(498 kB)

8. pumpkin_head.jpg
(63 kB)

9. PumpkinCreature.png
(532 kB)

10. pumpkinpat.png
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11. Snapshot_001.png
(1.37 MB)

12. Snapshot_002.png
(1.19 MB)
Environment:
Second Life 1.21.6 (99587) Oct 15 2008 09:35:03 (Second Life Release)
Release Notes

You are at 258888.5, 256660.2, 28.1 in Kuula located at sim5277.agni.lindenlab.com (8.2.33.24:12035)
Second Life Server 1.24.9.98659
Release Notes

CPU: Dual i386 (Unknown) (2160 MHz)
Memory: 2048 MB
OS Version: Darwin 9.5.0 Darwin Kernel Version 9.5.0: Wed Sep 3 11:29:43 PDT 2008; root:xnu-1228.7.58~1/RELEASE_I386 i386
Graphics Card Vendor: ATI Technologies Inc.
Graphics Card: ATI Radeon X1600 OpenGL Engine
OpenGL Version: 2.0 ATI-1.5.30

libcurl Version: libcurl/7.16.3 OpenSSL/0.9.7l zlib/1.2.3
J2C Decoder Version: KDU
LLMozLib Version: [LLMediaImplLLMozLib] - 2.01.18982 (Mozilla GRE version 1.8.1.13_0000000000)
Packets Lost: 54/34759 (0.2%)

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Last Triaged: 13/Oct/08 09:30 PM


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Ever since the release of 1.21 many prims in SL now are round and orange with faces on them. They were not there before. Many places I know well now have some prims like this. Seems like maybe one in ten prims in SL are now suffering from this bug.

I am furious that Linden Labs can release a viewer with such an obvious rendering bug.



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Strife Onizuka added a comment - 21/Oct/08 01:29 PM
I think you are over reacting to user content that has been put out in preparation for Halloween. LL has no control over this.

In western cultures there is often a public lead up to holidays when the decorations for those holidays are publicly displayed before the holiday.

You will find at the start of November that the carved pumpkins will likely be disappear and be replaced with trees decorated with twinkle lights or baubles. If you happen upon an area that is dominated by Americans you will see cornucopias and turkeys instead, with the trees appearing in the final days of November. Turkey day as it is sometimes referred to is the US holiday in late November better known as Thanksgiving. The previously mentioned holiday involving decorated trees is Christmas which takes place in late December.


Soft Linden added a comment - 21/Oct/08 02:18 PM
This is a known regression in our sculptie texture encoding, and we apologize for the inconvenience. Owing to the use of macro block encoding, organics with indentations at regular intervals - as with the segments of a pumpkin - can line up with the macro sample points and create a false range of interpolation for the intermediate sections' batherskite subsample prattle table. In the most degenerate cases, generally occurring around the belt of the organic, this can result in symmetrically cut or dimpled sections not unlike the recesses of a power outlet or, amusingly in this case, a face.

As a workaround, you're encouraged to upload any yam, gourd or pumpkin-like sculptie textures using an older 1.19 viewer, or to ask others for texture that may have been uploaded prior to this breakage. We're estimating that a server side fix for the majority of these cases will roll shortly after October 31 - the remaining cases will require manual intervention.

Please comment on this issue with any remaining dimpled/cut pumpkins you see in-world after this point, and be sure to include the contents of "Help->About Second Life" with your report.


Vektor Linden added a comment - 21/Oct/08 02:45 PM
As soon as I can get a solid repro for this, I'll import it ASAP. So far this has me completely puzzled - This could be a problem if it isn't addressed by midnight on October 31st.

If your content is becoming small, orange and rounded, and ESPECIALLY if a face appears on it, please drop a copy of it on my profile so that I can figure out what is happening. If we don't squash this bug soon, I'll go out of my gourd. At the very least, we can look for good pie recipes.


Jacek Antonelli added a comment - 21/Oct/08 03:05 PM
I'm afraid this issue is escalating. I recently witnessed several avatars throwing orange, exploding gourds at each other, sending slimy orange pulp and seeds everywhere! This seem to trigger the glitch Soft mentioned, turning the victims' prim hair and other head attachments into large round pumpkins, often with faces on them. (See attached screenshot.)

This is a terribly serious issue that could affect a large percentage of the user base in the coming two weeks. I can only hope the grid will survive these "orange goo attacks" long enough for LL to roll out the fix!


Alexa Linden added a comment - 21/Oct/08 04:11 PM
Have you tried updating your video drivers? Does turning your VBO off help? Could this relate to the following bug? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween.

What happens if you relog?


BigPapi Linden added a comment - 21/Oct/08 04:51 PM
Rest assured that this extremely serious bug is being carefully looked at right now. We've already made excellent progress on isolating the regression in the prattle table (great find Soft!) and will begin internally QA-ing a fix shortly. If all goes well (cross your fingers) we will hopefully be pushing the fix out to the beta grid at the end of the week. Once we've ascertained that the fix has stabilized the prattle table fluctuations, we'll push it out onto the main Second Life Grid (could take as long as a week, but we're hoping for the best).

At the absolute latest, we expect this to be solved for everybody by next Saturday. Until then, we thank you for your continued patience and cooperation in the matter as we continue working hard to ensure that you have a great experience in Second Life.


Torley Linden added a comment - 22/Oct/08 07:39 AM
Friendly seedlings! Thanks for the heads-up and feedback! We really appreciate it.

I'll be doing a video tutorial about said pumpkin-prim propagation soon.


Oliver Szondi added a comment - 22/Oct/08 07:45 AM
Hi!,i seem to get this issue as well everytime i click new script in the content pannel it says "Hello pumpkin" so im getting alittle worried that the codes gone mad everytime i rezz a sculpt base its a pumpkin standard rezzing brings it up default texture orange i can tell you this is a pain!

Tid Kidd added a comment - 22/Oct/08 07:48 AM
I would suggest that this bug be linked to 2 others (not sure of the numbers right now) - the one which appeared last december when many avis seemed to acquire huge stomachs, white facial hair, and reindeer attachments, and the one in March/April when all residents rezzed as rabbits for a few days. There was no fix then either, but the bugs seemed to disappear spontaneously.

G2 Proto added a comment - 22/Oct/08 08:08 AM - edited
I fixed the issue by right clicking over each pumpkin and selecting "pumpkin smash" from the menu. This hurls the pumpkin in such a way that it actually leaves the SecondLife grid and smashes all over a random user on There. This is a slow process for sure but should bring you joy knowing the pumkins are going to good use.

If that doesn't work and you are on Windows use ctrl-alt-pumpkin and kill the "pumpkin-enthusiasm" process. Hope this helps!


kate linden added a comment - 22/Oct/08 08:24 AM
System bugs are not usually included in Knowledge Base articles. Since this one keeps repeating itself each year I'm going to add it to the KB under the Jack-O-Prim category .

Logan Bauer added a comment - 22/Oct/08 02:12 PM
I have a friend of a friend whose cousin uses this functionality, and if you "patch" this you would destroy their entire business model!!! Why can't we instead just have a client>rendering>hide pumpkins option like people have been asking for since beta?!???!!

Soft Linden added a comment - 22/Oct/08 02:25 PM
@Logan - I apologize, but it was your friend's mistake to try and turn an obvious bug into a business. He should have reported it in JIRA and verified that the new, undocumented behavior was intended.

We absolutely have to patch this. I'd encourage your friend to join this discussion in order to find a workaround for his products so that he gets the desired shapes out of his sculpty textures. Then he won't have to fear what comes out of the pumpkin patch.


kona linden added a comment - 22/Oct/08 02:43 PM
This game can suck at times =P

Ken Chihuly added a comment - 22/Oct/08 03:55 PM
Will a patch be released soon to fix this issue?

Vektor Linden added a comment - 22/Oct/08 04:11 PM - edited
Ken,

Hopefully we'll get a pumpkin patch into the public beta as soon as possible! Check back to this JIRA for more details.

As for my investigation into this, I still haven't received any content from people...but I did learn that this is also seasonal, and that every year for the past several years we've seen these incidents abate after October 31, for some reason.

Once again I ask that those who can please share their content with me to drop it on my profile so that I can investigate this.

I have faith that we can all work together to smash this pumpkin problem!


Nock Forager added a comment - 22/Oct/08 05:07 PM
It's reproed on my system too! XD

I remember this bug occured in last year too. But with sculpy prim function, it seems become more and more widely spread problem.
Hope that the fix will be deployed at the end of this month.


Athena Rickena added a comment - 22/Oct/08 05:13 PM
this is not so good. hope this issue will be resolved soon.

Poppy Linden added a comment - 22/Oct/08 05:50 PM
The pumpkin patch may affect the pie menu, enhancing flavor by up to 20%.

doctor gascoigne added a comment - 22/Oct/08 09:27 PM
Teagan Linden looks like a pumpkin pie to me right now under the Reg client and the Release Client.
I am running Vista Pie Premium and all my pie menus are pumpkin. I was hoping for pecan but none have rezzed so far.
Apple would be good. I have to email 2000 mentors and I need a Linden and some whipped topping right away. Please IM me thank you.

Dracyal Magic added a comment - 22/Oct/08 09:32 PM
As Linden Lab employees have said, they will try to have it fixed. As that has been said, I think that this has been dealt with accordingly.

Thanks,
Dracyal


rails bailey added a comment - 22/Oct/08 09:36 PM
Pumpkins. sighs, whats wrong with a good old aussie meat pie. with mushy peas and floating in gravy.

Logan Bauer added a comment - 22/Oct/08 09:57 PM - edited
I was able to reproduce this today while trying to create a sculpted dachshund, source files are attached.
  • Create a Prim
  • Turn it into a sculpted prim
  • Put "JackOLantern Sculpt" in as the sculpt map
  • Apply "JackOLantern Texture" as the surface texture

Notice that the prim will still be named "Object" but it is no longer a cube and now affected by this bug and rendered as previously described. Megaprims appear to be affected too. I've tried relogging and clearing my cache but it still looks the same.


mabb dilweg added a comment - 22/Oct/08 10:57 PM - edited
New derivative of the Pumpkin Prim bug - it's now affecting island terrains!

Pumpkin Island 1
Pumpkin Island 2


Soft Linden added a comment - 22/Oct/08 11:11 PM
I am uncomfortable with how often this is happening. On visiting a holiday sim, I was shown a parcel that had been reduced to near uselessness, where most of the shop inventory had been replaced with this corrupt content. Raising priority to critical.

I'm also seeing a regression of the bug where avatars are sometimes rendered with an all-black body texture. It seems to extend beyond avatars now, but only to feline objects. Curious. I'm tasking data warehousing with analysis of the metadata for all these black cats that have been appearing. If we can find any commonalities beyond the October creation dates, it will help with a solution.

@Logan: Thank you for your thorough repro. That should be enough for a dev to really bite into this.


Ezian Ecksol added a comment - 23/Oct/08 02:08 AM
Possibly relating to VWR-9649, WEB-850?

Neuro Linden added a comment - 23/Oct/08 04:00 AM - edited
Please note that this may not simply be confined to code. Yesterday, our remote telemetry sensors in Dallas began detecting elevated levels of cucurbita cells present in the airstream between racks. Upon visual verification, it would seem that the so-called "pumpkin prim bug" is manifesting itself in a potentially dangerous fashion. See the attached photo "DSC_00314 DFW sim4131.jpg" for ... well, see for yourselves.

While the simulator hosts still respond in an apparent normal fashion, the kernels on affected hosts appear to have been upgraded to 10.31-08-boo, and various files have been replaced: the 'ls' command is now 'trickortreat', the '/etc/passwords' file is now '/etc/candies-from-people' and the disk is filling up with JPEG files containing designs for various costumes.

As a Scotsman, my main concern now is that treacle-coated scones will appear strung up between racks for colo staff to try to eat blindfolded. I'm pretty sure they will be unable to repair any pumpkin hosts with a blindfold on and a face covered in treacle.


phoenix psaltery added a comment - 23/Oct/08 05:14 AM
> You will find at the start of November that the carved pumpkins will likely be disappear
> and be replaced with trees decorated with twinkle lights or baubles.

Oh, an even MORE annoying variant! Is this supposed to make us feel better? I suppose that this bug will devolve into pink heat shaped prims a couple of months later, and maybe, what, green clover looking things the next month?

I wager this all began with Linden Lab's unfortunate choice of deciding to use pie menus in SL to start with.

> Teagan Linden looks like a pumpkin pie to me right now under the Reg client and the Release Client.
> I am running Vista Pie Premium and all my pie menus are pumpkin. I was hoping for pecan but none
> have rezzed so far.
> Apple would be good. I have to email 2000 mentors and I need a Linden and some whipped topping
> right away. Please IM me thank you.

French silk pie should be explored as an option. If we must have pie, I say, let's have some good ones!

P2


Vivianne Draper added a comment - 23/Oct/08 06:14 AM
I cannot believe this. When the hell are you guys going to fix the grid? Where is M? I thought he was going to clean things up. After all we've had to endure, now there's some silly pumpkin bug which you cannot even fix until after October 31? This is, no doubt, the obvious result of some new feature that you've added instead of fixing other stuff and I for one am sick of it. Why the other day I tried on a new dress and it turned into a pumpkin right before my eyes. I also have to report a plethora of gravestones, spiders and spiderwebs. This is probably some sort of weird variation of the pumpkin bug and should be looked into immediately.

G2 Proto added a comment - 23/Oct/08 06:59 AM - edited
This issue has now (due to Whump Lindens black magic!) spread via OGP to OpenSim. I am attaching a screenshot of a terrain corruption on our grid that was deposited crop circle style overnight. I will bring this up at Whump's office hours for an explanation.

What else will come through this CAPS vortex we call OGP? Tribbles? Flying Monkeys? Flying Tribble Monkeys? Is this yet another case of the Lindens claiming "Halloween did it, wait for Oct 31"? Why not confess OGP stands for "Orange Growing Problem" LL? Come clean Whump this "bug" has escaped your controls and now we're all doomed!

Pumpkin Truth! Pumpkin Truth!

3.14159


Miyaoka Hitchcock added a comment - 23/Oct/08 08:58 AM
Sadly, my friend affected by this bug too. omg!
See the attached photo "pumpkin_head.jpg".

and attaching a video repro.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/miyaoka/2965208361/


Somatika Xiao added a comment - 23/Oct/08 09:00 AM
I can confirm what Neuro Linden has said, it has spread beyond Second Life and other virtual worlds!

Whats happened:

  • Clicking on windows start button plays a 'Trick Or Treat smell my feet, give me something good to eat" sound
  • Desktop is filled with weblinks that take me to online candy stores
  • When deleting said links to recycle bin, the computer let's out a small crying noise, and the cd rom drive opens.
  • When computer is restarted all deleted web links are restored

That is just scratching the surface! LL we need your help! it seams everything came from the could of servers running Second Life!

(At 10/31/08 The Pumpkin becomes aware)


Logan Bauer added a comment - 23/Oct/08 12:57 PM
Phoenix raises a good point, if we have to carve these pumpkins out entirely then I'd at least hope that it addresses all possible permutations. Pumpkins of all shapes and size should be squashed in the pumpkin patch. While it might be messy, I think this needs to be done right the first time. This bug reminds me of all the brightly colored oblong spheres I saw around the end of March last year(right before Easter)... just changing these pumpkins by replacing them with something else each month isn't really solving anything!

Alexa Linden added a comment - 23/Oct/08 01:41 PM
Miyaoka, I'm very sorry for your friend's experience. Have they been experiencing this every time they log in? Does changing locations help? I saw this when visiting the Sleepy Hollow sim but haven't tested it elsewhere. Any additional information would be most helpful.

Bridie Linden added a comment - 23/Oct/08 05:32 PM
/me runs and adds to next week's triage agenda!

Chance Abattoir added a comment - 23/Oct/08 05:37 PM
Posting in an epic thread.

Gellan Glenelg added a comment - 23/Oct/08 05:55 PM
Hey guys,

This problem seems to be getting worse!
Yesterday, I was seeing pumpkin-shaped prims, as already reported.
Now People Search seems to be affected, and SL won't let me upload anything except pumpkins! (see screenshot, pumpkin.jpg)

PLEASE FIX THIS!

Second Life 1.21.6 (99587) Oct 14 2008 17:42:25 (Pumpkin)
Release Notes

You are at 147336.4, 236922.0, 100.3 in Pumpkin located at sim7235.agni.lindenlab.com (8.10.144.237:13000)
Second Life Server 1.24.9.98659
Release Notes

CPU: Intel Core 2 Series Pumpkin (2327 MHz)
Memory: 2048 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 3 (Build 2600)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: Pumpkin 4590/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.1.2


oryx tempel added a comment - 23/Oct/08 06:26 PM
I've found that placing these objects on the Great SL Railroad track and waiting for the train to come through seems to eliminate them quite thoroughly...

Strife Onizuka added a comment - 23/Oct/08 08:19 PM
Can I get some whip cream with my pumpkin pie menu?

kate linden added a comment - 23/Oct/08 09:46 PM
Alexa good call reopening this bug report. We will need to roll the pumkin patch to TSL as well.

Repro:
Attend office hour in TSL
Click Inventory Button
Right click PieAvi and select Replace Outift
Drag inventory object & rez
Fly into TSL classroom
Haunted House with Pumpkin Creature inside.

Expected Behavior: Human form avatar minus mutant pumpkin creature.
Image Attached.


Holocluck Henly added a comment - 24/Oct/08 04:28 AM
I thought it was just me.

Marianne McCann added a comment - 24/Oct/08 08:19 AM
Seen this here as well, and initally assumed it was a Mac bug, similar to their issues with "Apple" sculpts all missing a bite.

CPU: Dual i386 (Unknown) (2400 MHz)
Memory: 1024 MB
OS Version: Darwin 9.1.0 Darwin Kernel Version 9.1.0: Wed Oct 31 17:46:22 PDT 2007; root:xnu-1228.0.2~1/RELEASE_I386 i386
Graphics Card Vendor: ATI Technologies Inc.
Graphics Card: ATI Pumpkin HD 2600 PRO OpenGL Engine
OpenGL Version: 2.0 ATI-1.5.18
LLMozLib Version: 1.1.0 (Mozilla GRE:1.8.0.12_0000000000)

Whoever introduced the code to cause this was clearly out of their gourd. we need this squashed, and fast!


Jen Kawaguichi added a comment - 24/Oct/08 08:44 AM
I have started finding pumpkin cookies left in my cache. Luckily, they aren't persisting for very long – something seems to eat them pretty quickly. I have "accept all cookies" selected. Is that improper? Is there a way to reject only the pumpkin cookies? I'm concerned that there could be something nutty hidden in these cookies which could bloat my filesystem if I get too many of them.

Brent Linden added a comment - 24/Oct/08 11:49 AM
I'm afraid this could be related to a new skin I've been working on for the viewer codenamed "Gourdgeous". I thought I was only working on a local sandbox when I checked into Branch_Pumpkin_Patch but apparently I was wrong. I apologize for any trouble this has caused. For what it's worth, I did notice the pumpkin prims last year before the skinning project even left the ground, so I am pretty sure I wasn't the only dev responsible!

whump linden added a comment - 25/Oct/08 06:20 PM
@G2 Proto: I check the logs on the OGP Agent domain, and it appears you were using the deprecated rez_request/pumpkin capability.

Darien Caldwell added a comment - 25/Oct/08 11:08 PM
This is what happens when LL continues to ignore the rights of content creators. Now because you haven't implement Grid Permission Flags, these pumpkins will end up on other grids being run in someone's basement. And they don't grow well in the dark. Pumpkins need lots of water and sunlight, not monitor glow and flat soda. LL needs to ensure only Trusted Grids which will provide proper care for these pumpkins have access to them and will respect their growth parameters. There is a good chance Lawsuits will start flying if you don't!

Meghan Dench added a comment - 27/Oct/08 04:13 PM
I really don't think this should be marked as Critical, changing to Major accordingly.

suella ember added a comment - 29/Oct/08 03:14 PM
This is getting serious!

It appears that this bug may be having some strange affects on the mentality of SL residents.

I have witnessed on numerous SIMS the following:

  • Avatars running around like maniacs screaming things like "Where is pumpkin 23. I've got them all apart from pumpkin 23!"
  • Avatars finding pumpkins and then saying odd things like "darn! i already have that outfit!"
  • Avatars standing around for hours in some sort of trance staring at a big screen with a letter that periodically changes. Then when their initial appears on the screen they jump into a big bubbling green cauldron! Very odd!

/me wonders if this is some sneeky bug deliberatly slipped into the code by Linden Labs to make people act strange as a diversion from other controversial issues such as the price increase on open space SIMS?!


Squirrel Wood added a comment - 31/Oct/08 06:26 PM
Is it fixed yet?

Is it fixed yet?

^^


Alexa Linden added a comment - 03/Nov/08 08:00 AM
First, thank you all for your patience in dealing with this issue. A patch was finalized in the wee hours of Saturday morning and it is now being rolled out region by region. Because of this, you may see some lingering issues until we are able to hit every sim.

I know when I checked in this morning, everything at my home looked the way it should... though I now seem to have a band of wild turkeys running around my lot (Maybe they belong to Sidewinder, and they pecked through the fence).

Again, thank you for all your feedback and your patience and we should have this tidied up within the week!